5000+ because these are the people least likely to abuse lag tactics
Other than connection issues, you’d be surprised at the INSANE amount of gimmicks you can pull online simply because a lot of people don’t know how to counter them, some aren’t even bad players, they just don’t have enough matchup knowledge.
Look at JR, he’s at 6000+ PP, I don’t know whether he boosted his points or not, but it’s laughable how often he’ll do cr.mk xx DF shenanigans all day long and still get away with it. Winning those points for example don’t mean shit when you’re up against someone who actually knows the matchup.
^ lol JR. He’s just a big-headed scrub who happened to have found the right tactic to abuse.
I partially disagree though, offline gimmicks are a joke compared to online, and are actually very easy to deal with. I believe players from a certain amount off PPs do know how to counter them, lag just makes it impossible to react.
But as I said, there are indeed online warriors who only rely on online tactics, but saying PPs don’t matter AT ALL is just nonsense. Don’t make up a rule just looking at the exceptions.
In my opinion, points aren’t an absolutely accurate representation of skill. They fluctuate a lot and many factors other than true skill can affect these fluctuations. I’ve come across many players that have like 3500 BP but you can tell EXACTLY how they got there. It’s so obvious sometimes which players rely on gimmicks and a playstyle which can’t be adapted to within 2 rounds; and players who have a firms grasp of the game’s fundamental mechanics.
This is the same guy who eliminated Tokido at EVO, have you played him and beaten him? If not you’re just speaking from a spectators perspective which no one gives a fuck about.
1st, you don’t need to be on someone’s level or better to criticize him, that’s a very stupid way to think. I live on a different continent than JR so playing him isn’t even a possibility.
2nd, JR himself admits he doesn’t take SF4 seriously, which shows when you see him play.
You’re making it sound like he’s on Tokido’s level or something and that’s why he managed to beat him once, which is FAR from the truth, he doesn’t even come anywhere close. I didn’t say JR is a Garbage player, I just used him as an example for having a shit load of points that don’t tell the entire story, he didn’t get there by “solid” play and you have to be on crack if you didn’t think a lot of it was through gimmicky tactics that most of the people he plays aren’t aware how to counter.
Well if you’re not part of the xbox live north american community then this isn’t directed at you. You admit that you’re a Spectator so it has no importance. But many people of the community talk shit on JR even tho they would get butt slammed if they played against him.
This game’s online is ass…only better than UMvC3 and KOF…PP are pretty worthless…
4k Is a good player but sometimes fall for gimmicks/tricks 5k don’t fall for tricks
I hate when people use the word tricks in this context. To me I think you can get better in numerous amounts of ways. You can make your offense tighter, you can get better at spacing, you can get better at staying calm in pressurized situations, you can get better at blocking/teching, you can increase match up knowledge. Each of these should do nothing but make you a better player overall and an increase in any should always increase your ability to achieve a higher rank whether it be online or offline play.
The ranking has a moderately accurate stereotype to it:
0pp: Not sure give or take, find out their skill firsthand
500-1000pp: Usually not very skilled at all. Mostly jumpers and spammers.
1000-2000pp: Okay usually, they know some basic dos and don’ts but that’s about as far it goes.
2000-3000pp: Usually has a character they can play really well. Although very skilled character wise, they can get lamed out or beaten out with fundamentals pretty free
3000-4000pp: Really good at fundamentals and character use, mostly good players stay floating here if they lose too much and got dropped from 4000pp in my experience or tourney players.
after the 4000pp rank they are mostly tourney level players, online warriors, ‘or beat the crap out of more unskilled players a little more often thanks to rank lobbies without actually pointing a challenge to a challenge’ players LOL around 4000-5000pp and up just depends on how good the players are or how often they play.
I was 0pp online warrior for a LONG time and I’d beat people of any rank pretty much left and right(although I think my skills were matched in the high 3000s and mid 4000s…outright outplayed by certain 5000pp players)
I’m doing ranked now and players on there play so weird. It’s not really a mind game on the way up more like watch out for mashing(something playing so many cautious fighters robbed got me unaccustomed to), but I just started getting kinda used to it, but can’t blame anything really except my refusal to train.
Well anyway, point is it’s really a huge guessing game, but mostly, I repeat, ‘MOSTLY’, 0pp and mid 3000pp and up.
Back in plain SSFIV, I was able to make it up to 4715 PP. That was the highest I ever went, and I’ll never EVER forget the pain and struggle that it took to get their… the hard way… the legit way… the way without cheats… it was definitely fucking hard. But it helped me become a pretty decent fighter because of that. When you make it to 4100 PP and above…
You’re definitely fighting one of the toughest online players.
sounds like bullshit to me unless its on PC then I can believe it. I am rank 50 honda on XBL and there is no way you could get to 4500 PP doing that shit unless you boost like crazy, and I know who every honda player is in EU and NA who is ranked above me (lived in both, have played almost all of them) in fact the only honda player who has that much PP that I can think of is VAD ToguroO and he is amazing
No, it’s not bullshit. It’s on XBOX. He is very popular in the 360 community. I’m 100% sure that a few people who posted in this thread know who I’m talking about.
PM me a video or at least the guys name if its just a matter of you not wanting to embarass someone/call someone out etc. i would really like to see how this guy plays.
You mean -this- guy?
If this is a shit player I don’t know what 99.99% of players out there are
JR is legit for sure
That Honda is terrible, it’s only one match but he plays Honda like I do and I hardly ever play him. I’m surprised he got a 1000pp much less 4500pp. Then again maybe he had the flu or a migraine or something was wrong with his controller.
I played some 3500+pp Ken and Ryu players who do nothing but mash random uppercuts and do a few combos/throw some badly spaced fireballs. I then went for a mirror match with my 0 BP Ryu/Ken and whenever they were losing then too, they would just ragequit
9/10 high PP players have absolutely no fundamentals whatsoever and are 100% gimmicks, and get murdered by Bisons footsies and pressure… I swear whenever they meet someone who doesnt jump at them every possible instance or doesnt keep missing links/keeps gaps intentionally in his blockstrings, the ‘mashable reversal’ crew just loses instantly without a fight. I can win games off strictly stopping my combos intentionally and going for an even more damaging punish on their SHORYUKEN! half the time… However I do meet the occasional skilled player, though they almost never use a character with a mashable reversal like Cammy/Akuma/Ryu/Ken/Seth (what a coincidence… lol)
Also a coincidence but every high PP blanka replay I check its a turboblanka 
So yeah, having played some more and having gotten better at SF4, PP doesnt mean shit, I guess I would change my vote to 0 PP if I could