How did Gill survive the Raging Demon again?

[System_1]

Vega (cape) did meet Gouken, Ryu and Ken’s Master. Reread Daemos’ Post. It’s in the Plot Guide and comes from an old SF Mook. Rokiseph said so and he was around years ago talking to Saiki in an old Gamefaqs Thread that was one of the many precursors to the SF Plot Guide. Golden Dragon was there too, the only old schooler that still contributes to the Plot Guide regularly.

I thought that fact was retroactively changed.

If it is true though, its something that will benifit the story Im writting.

[Kataklysmic]

I had posted everything I knew on the subject of SF4, even posted a link to it once which NOBODY cared to inspect, and that kid took it as a joke and threw it in my face. But hey, 80% of this site’s populated by spoiled little brats who can’t analyze a good fighting game for the life of them anyway, so it’s not like I really need to single GD out or embarass him. That’s impossible.

I understand people wanting the Vs. trend dropped for a SF4. It’s just that those people, from story-whores to hardcore wannabes, are also the ones that are killing the whole SF scene. Whenever Capcom puts out a new fighting game that is truly new (and I don’t believe storylines are that important with such a LINEAR genre), it gets no support. SF3 and CFAS make it crystal clear. Can Capcom help it if the only profit they can make lies in what they know works? Can they help it if they’re not allowed to live in the '00s like Midway is with MK? Can they help it if SF fans continue to forget they make games other than fighters?

Yes, Capcom does not seem to care about SF, true, but that’s largely because we are telling them that WE don’t. And people like GD and Time-Stop? They’re worse, because in spite of all these facts (maybe they’re dyslexic? I dunno), they still dismiss them as lazy and come here to troll and spread their bullshit with the intent to kill the ONLY remaining support that the genre has, which does nothing but further enforce their believe that we don’t care.

I’m just glad there’s still going to be a Darkstalkers 4, because if Capcom USA can’t make a good SF, and I do hope I’m wrong, then it’s as good as gone.

[Daemos]

Bison was born human, its the powers he learned that made him seem beyond human.

Psycho Power and Bison’s immortal-soul-that-can-jump-bodies are 2 different unrelated/independant abilities/powers, the plot guide even implies this clearly. If this is true, this means that Bison’s immortal soul (which is the key factor that makes him beyond human) could very well be out of hell somewhere recovering.

Gill too has an immortal soul btw (taken from the plotguide as well).

I thought that fact was retroactively changed.

It was changed from Bison killed Gouken to Bison beat up Gouken but spared his life, only for Gouken to be killed by Akuma.

[System_1]

OMG

You know that The Illuminati has 66 Secret Techniques? Some of which are Immortal Soul, Ressurection, Creation of Fire, Un-Creation of Fire, Creation of Ice, Un-Creation of Ice, whatever the hell Urien’s power is, etc, etc, and then its also possible that Bison’s Psycho Power, and Rose’s Soul Power are also part of the teachings, along with any and every other power in the SF Universe.

Anyways considering Bison’s soul powers are similar to that of Gill’s its possible he learned them from the same place (The Illuminati) along with any and every other power Bison has.

Psycho Power and Bison’s immortal-soul-that-can-jump-bodies are 2 different things that are most likely 2 different abilities/powers.

Okay, now what does that have to do with Bison being human or not human?

And they are obviously 2 diffrient powers, specialy given Gill, and the fact that The Illuminati has 66 (quite a large number of) teachings.

If this is true, this means that Bison’s immortal soul (which is the key factor that makes him beyond human) could very well be out of hell.

Nope.

The fact that Bison’s soul is in hell is CANON, meaning there’s no way it can be out of hell or else that statement would be a flat out lie, which if it were wouldnt of been stated in the Capcom books in the first place.

Gill too has an immortal soul btw

Yes I know its one of the techniques he learned from The Illuminati.

Just wait till I finish my Bison’s Origins story, as its the conclusions I came to about Bison after speaking with Capcom.

Bison killed Gouken to Bison beat up Gouken but spared his life, only for Gouken to be killed by Akuma.

That all comes into play in my story, ie you’ll find out why Bison bothered even seeking out Gouken in the first place.

[Sano]

Kataklysmic - I agree with a lot of what you say. So long as the games are well recieved in Japan, we’ll continue to get sequels. CFE was pretty well recieved over there making the Tourney rounds and the next DS is sure to be very popular so I’m not worried that much about Capcom’s 2D future, but I think 2D as a whole will be gone in 10 years. I myslef don’t get why they gave Capcom USA the rights to SF with all the money it’s made them over the years, the only game series that has made Capcom more money is the Resident Evil series (Megaman is third) but I just hope Capcom of Japan closely monitors whatever Capcom USA does. Still, with Funamizu and Okamoto gone from Capcom, I don’t think even if COJ made SF4 it would be quite the same thing.

Recently, Capcom got a US Patent for a game called something like “Capcom Beatdowns. Fight for Vengeance.” This may mean they are working on something like a new Fighter or a Beat’em up like Final Fight and it may mean nothing since people patent a lot of stuff that never comes out. Still I’m excited. We need more of both genres.

No matter what the Capcom haters post, Resident Evil, Megaman, Devil May Cry, Onimusha and others will always insure that Capcom stays around, and there will always be fans asking for fighters, so Capcom’s future doesn’t bother me if you look at the big picture. 2D’s future on the other hand, now that even Gameboys and the PSPs can play 3D games, it’s only a matter of time before they are all fazed out. So we either adapt, or hang up our controllers, but that’s how the world works. I hope Cel-Shading continues to grow as it’s the next best thing to 2D IMHO.

[System_1]

No matter what the Capcom haters post, Resident Evil, Megaman, Devil May Cry, Onimusha and others will always insure that Capcom stays around

Yeah but there’s the question now if RE, DMC, and Onimusha are even going to continue given their creators seeem to be done with them. I’ve noticed Capcom is about 50/50 when it comes to deciding whether or not to keep a series going after the creator leaves the company or decides they dont want to continue the series (althouth I know DMC4 was just announced)

As far as those 3 series are concerned, Im looking foward to seeing Onimusha continue, as RE seems to have run its course although RE4 put a new breath of life into the series, and next DMC game is coming out soon, with #4 on the way. I mean I really liked Onimusha 2, thought 3 was really good too (and probaly has the best FMV intro I’ve ever seen for a game) although that Blade Warriors game was HORRENDUS, but anyways if Capcom is actually going to keep improving upon these series like they did with Onimusha 3, Devil May Cry 3, and Resident Evil 4, then its all for the better.

Also Capcom should start producing/funding/backing some smaller companies, to bring in some diffrient stuff into their fold or the gaming world, ie alot of small companies out there like Dimps (Rumblefish, DBZ Budokai series) Lightweight (Bushido Blade series, Kengo series) Aquire (Tenchu 1&2, Way of The Samurai 1&2) tend to focus on gameplay when it comes to games but lack the money and time to produce the best quality versions of their games, ie small companies tend to make good (hidden gem) games, but dont have the resources to make it as good as it could possibly be.

[Sagatryu]

Urien’s powers are wind/lightning, earth and the Aegis Reflector

[System_1]

Urien’s powers are wind/lightning, earth and the Aegis Reflector

Yeah, but what is Aegis? Thats what I was trying to figure out, does Urien have “Aegis Power” ? Whatever it is Im sure its one of techniques of the Illuminati.

[System_1]

And people like GD and Time-Stop? They’re worse, because in spite of all these facts (maybe they’re dyslexic? I dunno), they still dismiss them as lazy and come here to troll and spread their bullshit with the intent to kill the ONLY remaining support that the genre has, which does nothing but further enforce their believe that we don’t care.

I know some fools do come and troll, but I seriously don’t think you can blame GD and Time-Stop for this. I mean, I know GD contributes a lot to the faq by tiamatroar, so why would he want to ‘kill the only remaining support’?

Mohammed Ali

[Kataklysmic]

That’s what I want to know.

Try reading what he says outside of the plot thread.

[Endless]

Yeah, but what is Aegis? Thats what I was trying to figure out, does Urien have “Aegis Power” ? Whatever it is Im sure its one of techniques of the Illuminati.

Aegis Reflector is probably a self styled technique by Urien. It is lightning based, because when you get hit by it, electricity crackles all around them. As for an Illuminati technique…I would say maybe, but most likely not. Urien and Gill have a lot of shared techniques (and frames, if you look at the frame rips…Urien even has Gill’s Bk + MP)
Aegis isn’t really a power, I don’t think…it’s probably some electrical manipulation that Urien can do. I guess, for stuff like Temporal Thunder, he moulds the electricty into a fireball, while with Aegis, he moulds it into a wall of electricity.

[System_1]

Aegis Reflector is probably a self styled technique by Urien. It is lightning based, because when you get hit by it, electricity crackles all around them. As for an Illuminati technique…I would say maybe, but most likely not. Urien and Gill have a lot of shared techniques (and frames, if you look at the frame rips…Urien even has Gill’s Bk + MP)
Aegis isn’t really a power, I don’t think…it’s probably some electrical manipulation that Urien can do. I guess, for stuff like Temporal Thunder, he moulds the electricty into a fireball, while with Aegis, he moulds it into a wall of electricity.

Alright then, that means the Aegis Reflector is something that stems from Urien’s power of lighting/electricity, which is one of The Illuminati’s teachings.

Right now Im compiling a list of what most likely The 66 Techniques are, which I’ll post later.

[Sagatryu]

Electric field

[Nando]

So GIll wants to distroy the Church…???

i thought he just wanted to make people like him…(as in, to be like him)

[Kuro]

So, with everything discussed so far… what are the official, Capcom-made tiers in terms of cannon power? If not, some plausible, detailed theories?

And, does events in Darkstalkers take the same time as events in Street Fighter? Like, in different dimensions, planes, etc etc?

[Sagatryu]

Tier 1
Akuma, Gill, Oro - the strongest three out of the SFer’s. They outclass
everyone. These guys are in the godly range. Oh, and SFA3 M. Bison
probably goes here, too.

Tier 2
M. Bison, Sagat (Note that this is Sagat in his most present state, not most
present state since when he was last seen in a game) , SF3 Ryu, Satsui no Ryu (Evil Ryu), Q, Urien

Tier 3
Ken, Gen, Rose, Charlie

Tier 4
Guile, Chun-Li, Hugo, Vega, Twelve

Tier 5
Adon, Guy, Sakura, Cody, Balrog, Cammy, Zangief, Dhalsim, T Hawk, Alex

Tier 6
The Twelve Dolls, Rolento, Sodom, Karin, Birdie, Necro, Dudley

Tier 7
Blanka, Fei Long, Honda

Tier 8
Makoto, Ibuki, Elena, Yun, Yang, Remy

Tier 9
Dee Jay, R. Mika, Dan

Tier 10
Sean

Here are some possible reasons for the Tier list from the plot Guide

Tier 1: This tier should be obvious. Gill, especially, with his fire and
ice creation, angel powers, and his last boss towering status. Akuma
should be, too. By SF3, the guy can destroy mountains, islands, and stay
in deep ocean for crying out loud. And Oro beat Ryu in the SF3 tournament,
and that was despite being handicapped by binding his arm. The guy’s
become powerful enough to live to 150 years or so… I won’t go into a
deeper analysis due to how obvious this tier is. Who specifically is the
best among Gill, Oro, and Akuma is up in the air, but eh, tiers aren’t
supposed to be THAT specific. Bison during SFA3 probably went into this
range, also. Being able to take on Ken and Sakura at the same time (only
forced to retreat due to Ryu coming to), then Rose, then all 13 Dolls, then
Guile, Chun-Li, and Charlie has got to say something.

Tier 2

M. Bison: Akuma can beat him in SF2. Whether Akuma could have beaten him
during SFA3 where he was stronger (and Akuma was most likely weaker), not
sure, but in his last state, he generally goes here from all KNOWN factual
evidence (unknown stuff like how he lost the SF2 tournament or even if he
DID since we don’t know when Akuma killed him aren’t being considered here
since… well, it’s unknown). He’s definately high up, though. His
weakened body wasn’t weakened to the point where he’d really really plummet
in the tiers, and during Alpha 3 it took a rather ludicrous amount of
consecutive battles against multiple opponents to finally take him down.

Ryu: Seen by Oro as the one with the potential to be trained, generally
considered a legend (see Makoto’s statements about him), whomped Alex
easily in Third Strike, only lost the SF3 tournament because he went up
against the godly Oro and even then impressed the old guy, etc etc. This
one should be pretty obvious.

Evil Ryu: A major point of Ryu’s SFA3 storyline is that he could follow
the path to warrior perfection without giving in to the Satsu no Hadou.
Even though Evil Ryu was really high up back then, the reason regular Ryu
is on the same tier is due to Ryu’s revelations since then. He has now
managed to reach what he could have been had he given in. Generally shown
by Ryu promptly telling Akuma that Satsu no Hadou is not the way in SF3.
Er… yea. It’s mostly implied as far as I know, but the implications are
more than enough to place the two into this tier with enough certainty.

Sagat: Although he was too obsessed with revenge and unfocused during
Alpha, by the end of Alpha 3, he has realized the error of his ways and is
now on the path to the true warrior. All statements and storyline
implications from there on are that Sagat is matching Ryu step for step in
progress as they await their glorious battle, so it’s really easy to tier
Sagat here. Note that this is Sagat in his most present state, not most
present state since when he was last seen in a game, since unlike other
characters, it’s easy to estimate where Sagat is even without seeing him
due to all the statements and implications.

Q: Q is marked as ‘hinted’ because there’s no way to really gauge his
tier, what with him having no interactions with anyone else in the
storyline. But he’s robotic and can somehow zip around the world, and
those are typically always powerful, and the effects of his moves sure look
darn powerful. So as a guestimate, he gets to be in this tier. Though
again, it’s mostly a guess.

Tier 3

Rose: She’s M. Bison lite. She’s the only character in Alpha that was
actually able to give Bison a somewhat decent match one-on-one. But… she
still lost, so she’s a tier lower. Rose could put up a fight against Alpha
Bison (well, actually, she WON in Alpha 2. Only ‘lost’ in Alpha 3) while
Chun-Li got owned for free in Alpha 2, and since there really isn’t much to
indicate that Chun-Li improved THAT much since Alpha, Rose gets to be a
tier higher. Chun-Li only started being called the strongest woman in the
world since SF2, after Rose was gone.

Ken: Ryu states to Ken in SF3 that he still has the better win record.
But the way he says it indicates that it’s still pretty close. Thus Ken
gets this tier. Pretty obvious, I think.

Gen: I think it’s hard to decide whether he’s in tier 2 or tier 3, but
he’s definately up there. Gen was able to fight Akuma to a standstill in
Alpha, after all. He’s definately not as good as the further trained Akuma
of SF3, though (Gen of course being most likely unable to further train
because he’s most likely dead). I’d be really surprised if he (and thus
even Akuma during that time) was as strong as “I take on tons of people by
myself” SFA3 Bison, so… generally tier 3 for him. On a random note, Gen
uses ki in his attacks with lots of skill. It’s just not as obvious as
Akuma (not all ki usage manifests as fireballs or something visual).

Charlie: Charlie is the US Martial Arts champion. Took down Bison in
SFA3, albeit with a little help. What mainly puts him here with certainty
instead of circumstantiality though I believe is how he’s better than Guile
(even SF2 Guile). Charlie’s ki manipulation is implied to be right up
there with Ryu and other top-notch fighters. He can shoot sonic booms from
any of his limbs, even his feet (something that Guile needs LOTS of
concentration to do. It takes Guile two hands and officially stated all
his focus just to throw one sonic boom). Since Guile, at least based on
what we can think of, comes into the tier below, and Charlie is definately
above Guile, even without the circumstantial evidence, we can generally
place Charlie in this tier.

Urien: Like Gen, I’m personally not sure if he should be in Tier 2 or Tier
3, but he’s up there. He’s better than Chun-Li (he’s only toying with her
in SF3 Third Strike after all) and definately lower than Gill (Gill doesn’t
even have to take him seriously and his power compared to Urien’s is one of
the many things Urien is jealous of, of course). Anyways, Urien’s
abilities include earth and lightning manipulation and an iron body (as
part of his earth manipulation). He’s blinded by jealousy, though.

Tier 4

Guile: Most likely winner of the SF2 tournament. If you decide to ignore
that, then there’s also the way in how he’s storyline-wise more interwoven
and more ‘important’ than most of the other SF2 characters, and they
typically get favored in the storyline power tiers. And I believe he’s
meant to be the same power as Chun-Li, but I forget^^; Whatever the case,
he’s been training really hard since SFA3, though Charlie in SFA3 was still
most likely better than him (see Charlie in Tier 3 for reasons). He isn’t
progressing any more because he gave up fighting after SF2 to be a family
man.

Chun-Li: Weaker than Rose but after Rose died then come SF2, is called the
strongest woman in the world, thus gets to be above the other female
characters in the next tier. That was easy. …er, going further, Chun-Li
isn’t any higher because she quit the ICPO and generally retired from
fighting and training after SF2 (course, after SF3, she trains OTHERS, but
that’s another story). Anyways, Capcom has stated that she’s the strongest
woman in the world during SF2, so it’s not just the opinion of the SF
tournament audience (or whatever) that she is.

Hugo: Actually rather surprising he’s up here, but all the facts point to
it. Hugo is officially stated to have withstood the shin shoryuken against
Ryu, which is officially stated to be one of the most powerful moves in the
world, so right there you know he’s a really strong guy. He is also
officially stated to have made ‘an amazing performance’ in the SF3
tournament, which probably means he’s generally above the majority of the
SF3 characters (he lost the tournament due to going up against Ryu, of
course. Oh, and to those who think Hugo is all stamina and nothing else, I
highly doubt he would have been stated to have made an amazing performance
if he didn’t at least put up a somewhat decent fight against Ryu. So no,
he’s not just a big punching bag with lots of endurance). As for who is
better, Hugo or Alex, well, Hugo withstanding the shin shoryuken means that
he probably put up a better fight against Ryu than Alex did. He withstood
an attack that officially could kill someone (Yea, Ryu’s style isn’t
designed to kill, but that doesn’t mean it can’t kill due to the sheer
damage alone) compared to Alex, who Ryu didn’t even break a sweat fighting
against. That would probably earn him a tier spot higher. Ryu still beat
him somewhat soundly, though, so he’s definately not up in Ken’s tier.
Note, though, that many of these tiers are at best, educated guesses and
estimates. Maybe Alex made a huge comeback after Ryu was beating him (the
fight wasn’t completely finished in Alex’s TS ending) but from all
available evidence, this is the best that can be estimated.

Vega: Cammy’s love-hate rival is generally better than her, and almost
positively let her win in their fight in SFA3. Therefore, Vega’s a tier
higher than Cammy. Easy. He’s also a better fighter within Shadaloo than
Balrog, I believe (not sure if it was officially stated. I think it was,
but I forget). He doesn’t go any higher because that would place him on
Gen’s level, which seems pretty darn silly. Capcom doesn’t go around
praising his ability like they do for Charlie. Course… a harder more
definitive proof might just be simply that Rose beats him in A3.

Twelve: Again, there’s lack of storyline interaction. But Twelve
officially feels no pain, and he can morph into other characters, so he’s
probably up there somewhere. He’s at least tier 5, because all lab reports
from Gill’s organization indicate that he should be superior to Necro in
every way (not that that means it’s fact, but it’s the best thing to go by
so far. Course, you never know how far ‘spirit’ could go, I suppose).

Tier 5

Guy and Cody: Hard to tier, IMHO. They can beat Sodom and Rolento,
obviously. They can also beat a whole bunch of the Mad Gear gang, but it’s
important to remember that they did not fight through Final Fight alone and
also that it’s wholly possible and likely that the SF universe follows the
laws of anime (IE, any generic bad guy is really weak and easy to beat up
by most any semi-important character), thus the fact that they can take out
most of the Mad Gear scrubs isn’t a very good gauge, either. Guy, even
though he is a Bushin master, is still equal to Cody even during SFA3,
though, so we at least know they are on the same tier. But storyline-wise,
neither has ever really gone up against any of the really high tier Street
Fighter characters, so this is the best guess we can get to place them
unless more comparative info ever comes in. Actually, though, after
getting Juni’s official power ratings that she scans in SFA3, I’m thinking
that Sodom, Rolento, Guy, and Cody are probably a lot higher than this.
Probably around Charlie’s level during SFA3, actually.

Adon: Strong enough to beat Sagat in SFA2. Sagat may have been unfocused,
but he was still powerful. There aren’t many other matches to use to tier
him with hard core certainty, but beating SFA2 Sagat and being the new Muy
Thai Emperor should be enough to give him this tier.

Sakura: She’s better than Karin. It’s officially stated that her chi
manipulation is equal to Ken’s during SFA3. The girl’s ridiculously gifted
and able to learn Ryu’s moves just by watching him. If Sakura continued
training on and on after SFA3, she could really be something.
Unfortunately, since SFA3 was so incredibly long ago, and Sakura’s future
still highly up in the air (highschool is really a bit too early in life to
get that hard a bead on one’s future, I think), the tier can really only go
by her last seen position (unlike Sagat, where it’s shown that he’s still
in the game after SF2 and his determination to stay on level with Ryu is
further emphasized). Anyways, Chun-Li is the strongest woman in the world
so Sakura is below her, regardless. Oh, and judging from SFA3, she can
beat Honda, so she gets to be higher than him.

Balrog: Can kill an elephant with his bare hands. Generally among the top
fighters in Shadaloo (not sure if it was officially stated, though I think
it was… it’s implied, at least) and thus higher than the Dolls. Oh, and
judging by SFA3, he beat Birdie. Probably weaker than Vega, so here he
goes. Even if he’s an idiot, he’s still armed with ‘the world’s strongest
punches’…

Cammy: She’s better than the other Dolls but weaker than Vega. …wow,
that was easy.

Zangief: A bit hard to tier, but being implied to be Russia’s greatest
warrior should account for something. He’s better than R. Mika (it seems
he goes easy on her in SFA3 and all), and R. Mika is most likely better
than Dan, so Zangief gets to go here. On a random note, I have no clue
where Haggar (or any other Final Fight exclusive character, really) fits
in, here. Even Cody and Guy, who weren’t exclusive to only Final Fight,
are hard to tier. Can’t even decide whether or not Haggar is on Zangief’s
level because the two never even met in person, after all, so there’s no
interaction to use to compare.

T. Hawk: He can beat (and most likely actually has beaten) the Doll
Noembelu. …another easy one.

Dhalsim: Loses to Ryu (at least, implied by one of Ryu’s SF3 win quotes).
A bit hard to tier, but he’s been going around doing lots of good things
for the world and has that fire power granted by the gods and such. There
might be more that I should poke Saiki for, but overall, this is a pretty
good guess, I think. He retired from fighting after SF2, by the way.

Alex: Alex is better than all the other SF3 characters (besides heavy
hitters like Ryu and Oro, who he never had to fight) as can be seen by him
winning the SF3 tournament. However, he’s still not really that high up
since Ryu beat him VERY easily in Third Strike. Thus he only gets to be a
tier higher than where the other SF3 characters go. He’s below Hugo even
though they never fought because Hugo actually put up a fight against Ryu.

Tier 6: The extras

Basically everyone else but Dan and generic Shadaloo soldiers (who are
officially stated to be skilled but weaker than the Dolls) go here. Hard
to tier among them exactly mainly due to lack of existance of factual
comparative data for a large majority of them. At any rate, though,
they’re definately weaker than everyone else above them. Karin loses to
Sakura, the Dolls lose to Rose, Cammy, and T. Hawk, E. Honda loses to
Sakura, every SF3 character not above this tier loses to Alex or Hugo,
etc. Moving along, good reasons for guestimates from here on IMHO are…

Tier 6: All the characters listed have been stated to beat other skilled
people, even if none of them were actually non-nameless goons. Or…
something to that effect. The twelve Dolls are each stronger than each of
the other 2000 skilled martial artists in Shadaloo (They aren’t called
elite for nothing), Rolento and Sodom rise above all generic Mad Gear
members to be bosses, Karin loses to Sakura but still puts up a good fight
so she’s probably only a tier lower, Birdie fought hard enough to impress
Bison in order to join Shadaloo (and thus is also probably above the other
2000 skilled martial artists. Eh, he got to be playable and get a name
while they didn’t :P)… Necro is implied due to all his genetically
enhanced abilities that probably give him an edge, and Dudley beat lots of
guys in his boxing career to earn money to buy his dads’ things back.

Tier 7: ‘Grown-up’ nobodies. Not much else to say. Well, E. Honda rose
to become a good sumo wrestler at least, but not sure if that says enough
for him. He beat Sodom in SFA2, but that’s because Sodom was fighting as a
sumo wrestler and thus not using his primary fighting style, so…

Tier 8: ‘Teeny-bopper’ nobodies. Poor Yun, Yang, Makoto, and Elena just
don’t have enough official statements implying their good abilities to go
higher. Er… no offense to these characters with the ‘nobody’ remarks, of
course.

Tier 9: Characters that Capcom of Japan just doesn’t seem to like Well,
okay, Dan’s probably weak on purpose.

Tier 10: Judging by where Capcom seems to be going with Sean, it seems
like he really IS weaker than Dan at this point. It’s like a joke in
itself, almost. Almost like when Sean says “Hey, I’m not Dan!”, he’s
right. He’s not Dan. He’s worse! Even Dan doesn’t get his ass kicked
THAT often in the official storyline. Sure, it was to Ryu and Ken, but the
only time Dan got his ass whupped as an ending joke was to cyber Akuma in a
VS game. Sean gets portrayed as getting kicked around a lot more than Dan,
even, so…

[Sagatryu]

Hope your list is better than mine Because I could only come up with 32 Possible Secret Techniques From the Illuminati.

1 Psycho Power
2. Soul Power
3. Fire manipulation
4. Creation of Fire
5. Un-Creation of Fire
6. Ice manipulation
7. Creation of Ice
8. Un-Creation of Ice
9. Immortal Soul
10. Ressurection
11. Lightning manipulation
12. Creation of Lighting
13. Un-Creation of Lighting
14. Earth manipulation
15. Creation of Earth
16. Un-Creation of Earth
17 Wind manipulation
18 Creation of Wind
19 Un-Creation of Wind
20 Water manipulation
21 Creation of Water
22. Un-Creation of Water
23. Dark manipulation
24 Creation of Dark
25. Un-Creation of Dark
26 Light manipulation
27 Creation of Light
28 Un-Creation of Light
29 Time manipulation
30 Space manipulation
31 Magnetism manipulation
32 Gravity manipulation

[Apathy-Inc]

33 Stock manipulation :encore:

[System_1]

I doubt Gill can beat Bison fairly easily, especially if he is fighting SFA3 Bison (in his most powerful form)

The only thing Gill has got going for him is his resurrect ability, which makes him possible to beat but impossible to kill.

I still would like to point out that the effects of the raging demon could differ on Bison than on others because his soul is immortal and has transcended humanity; Evil never dies.

1. how about in a blink of and eye?
2. you forgot to add seraphic wing?
   3.vega’s soul is not immortal.

[System_1]

Hope your list is better than mine Because I could only come up with 32 Possible Secret Techniques From the Illuminati.

1 Psycho Power
2. Soul Power
3. Fire manipulation
4. Creation of Fire
5. Un-Creation of Fire
6. Ice manipulation
7. Creation of Ice
8. Un-Creation of Ice
9. Immortal Soul
10. Ressurection
11. Lightning manipulation
12. Creation of Lighting
13. Un-Creation of Lighting
14. Earth manipulation
15. Creation of Earth
16. Un-Creation of Earth
17 Wind manipulation
18 Creation of Wind
19 Un-Creation of Wind
20 Water manipulation
21 Creation of Water
22. Un-Creation of Water
23. Dark manipulation
24 Creation of Dark
25. Un-Creation of Dark
26 Light manipulation
27 Creation of Light
28 Un-Creation of Light
29 Time manipulation
30 Space manipulation
31 Magnetism manipulation
32 Gravity manipulation

I could only come up with 41. Like you I found it quite obvious that creation and uncreattion would be seperate considering 66 is such a big number.

Anyways here’s my list…

1)Fire (creation)
2)Fire (un-creation)
3)Ice (creation)
4)Ice (un-creation)
5)Water (creation)
6)Water (un-creation)
7)Wind (creation)
8)Wind (un-creation)
9)Earth (creation)
10)Earth (un-creation)
11)Lightning/Electricity (creation)
12)Lightning/Electricity (un-creation)
13)Smoke/Mist/Fog (creation)
14)Smoke/Mist/Fog (un-creation)
15)Light (creation)
16)Light (un-creation)
17)Darkness (creation)
18)Darkness (un-creation)
19)Levitation/Flight
20)Teleportation
21)Immortality (Youth)
22)Immortality (Soul)
23)Psycho Power
24)Soul Power
25)Ki/Chi
26)Alchemy
27)Mind (telepathy, telekenisis, etc)
28)Life (Healing, Ressurection)
29)Death
30)Dissolve
32)Invisibility
33)Restoration
34)Destruction
35)Mind Manipulation
36)Time Manipulation
37)Space Manipulation
38)Graviy Manipulation
39)Super Strength
40)Super Agility
41)Super Speed

Some of you may be curious about some of these so…

Ki/Chi

Well most of the abilities the SF chars have stem from chi/ki, however I doubt all the powers/abilites do, like the ones Gill, Urien, and Bison could use, but the ability to use, create, and manipulate chi/ki is no doubt a teaching of The Illuminati.

Alchemy

Dont know why I really put this down (maybe been watchin too much Full Metal Alchemist) but thought it could defenitly be a teaching.

Death

Obviously the opposite of the Life powers, ie basicly the ability to instantly to kill someone, no doubt where the powers of the Shun Goku Satsu came from.

Dissolve

Seen in Gill and Urien’s intros.

Desstruction and Restoration

Desstruction (if the user was powerful enough) for example could destroy an entire building (crumble it to the ground) while Restoration could build that same building back up.

I think everything else is can be figured out.