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I would say that the Hstick feels different from (and betterthan) a stock JLF to me. A-B’ing the two, it’s instantly obvious, to me, the the Hstick is waaaay smoother than the JLF (barely used one I bought earlier this year). I think hibachifinal said it best:
“when I was playing, I forget that the balltop is attached to a shaft, it feels like i’m just moving the ball in the air (Like nothing at all!), until I hit the gate.”
I noticed a difference but once the JLF is all lubed up (Hayabusa was already well lubed) it also felt good. I’ve never seen a JLF well lubed new.
hayabusa is good
but you will never be sako
Speaking for myself, I really don’t care what the pro-tourney users play with.
I’m a home-end user. I’m sticking with what’s comfortable for me!
To be honest, using the LS-32 and Hayabusa made it easier to go back and use the JLF. The JLF still has significant flaws where I’m concerned but the fact I’ve been using controllers that worked better for me meant it was easier to get around some of the JLF issues. I’ll never mainline the JLF again but I know I can handle it okay nowafter using the other joysticks.
I had the same thing happen to me with pads on the Super NES. It was easier for me to use the offical SNES pads to play SF2 only after I played for many weeks with the Capcom Soldier Pads made for SF2 home play. I still liked the Capcom pads better… the only fighting game series I ever played on SNES where it felt better to use the official SNES pads were the first two MK games and that’s only because the stiffer SNES D-pad worked better for me when I tried to execute finishing moves. I haven’t played another arcade game series with much worse control input/response than MK in all honesty…
I think this old thread covered all those points
Can someone help me find a hayabusa, maybe a used one that you didnt like
Look in the Trading Post for something like that.
The mods frown on people soliciting auctions in Tech Talk.
Hayabusa’s are hard to find because Hori didn’t make many for separate sales… The separate sales were an experiment to gauge interest in the part.
Thnx buddy
Are you for real? I stand corrected.
WERE YOU LURKING IN HERE THIS WHOLE TIME TO BLOW ME UP? Legit demon setup.
Paradise Arcade should start selling them soon. Sometimes in the 2 Q I believe
They had single digit stock and it went quick. Probably have to wait for Hori to restock.
Oh really?! LOL.
Now I don’t feel guilty about making this at all
Paradise Arcade Shop had the Hayabusa in-stock for about 10 seconds because Hori-USA didn’t have that many in-stock to sell to them. Note that PAS was selling their Hayabusa’s for $35. That’s a $5 mark-up from what Hori-USA was charging.
I don’t think anybody’s going to have Hayabusa’s to sell in the West until June…
Hori’s not a huge company and until this year the Hayabusa and Kuro parts were being made exclusively for the Fighting Edge.
That’s changing seeing as they made a production deal with Taito to provide Kuro and Hayabusa parts for the Taito/VLX production panels for arcade cabinets. That’s the panel style that the the HRAP VLX and HRAP Diamond VLX were based on. It’s been at least two months since the Hayabusa- and Kuro-equipped panels started popping up in Japanese arcades.
The other big change is seeing Hayabusa and Kuro parts in the limited edition HRAP V3’s and V4’s being sold on Amazon.jp… It’s only a matter of time before the next mass-market, unlimited (less-limited at any rate) new edition HRAP (hopefully one based on the N3/NX case) ships with the Hayabusa and Kuro parts installed. Hori hasn’t made an official announcement yet but they might have stopped sourcing Sanwa for JLF and pushbutton parts for new-production HRAP’s for all we know. They’re almost certainly done with Seimitsu as a parts vendor since the Hayabusa seems to have had a design goal of emulating ‘Seimitsu feel’ and achieved that…
Hayabusa feels nothing like a LS-32. Closest to Seimitsu that you’ll get is a lever mod and it will feel most like a 40 or a 56. It’s JLF, you could get the same feel by putting levers on a JLF, too.
That’s your opinion, Moonchilde. Not one that FreedomGundam and I happen to share…
I definitely felt that the Hayabusa was closer to a tweak LS-32 than a JLF. The only thing JLF-like about that joystick are the measurements of the shaft parts and the holes in the mounting plate. That’s it. It feels utterly different than the JLF and is closer to the LS-32 in most respects of feel.
That’s the problem with human beings – we all feel and experience things a little bit differently.
Some of us don’t see colors very well. I see very obvious differences between Vermillion and Deep Red but many people don’t.
Have you played with the LS-32 for more than 10 minutes??? It’s been my mainline joystick for over 4 years!
I’m not offended if people don’t like the LS-32 but I honestly don’t see how they can say the LS-40 is the same thing, feels the same, or that you can go back-and-forth with the JLF and another stock joystick NOT feel the difference.
That’s certainly not the experience most of us had.
I frankly don’t think you have played with the LS-32 much at all… there’s some nonsensical things you’ve been saying the past few posts I’ve read.
Part of what colors your experience is that you mod the hell out of things. Do you play with anything close to stock condition for more 15 minutes??? All the mods you do (actuator replacement, new microswitches, etc.) change the character of joysticks tremendously and honestly that’s more work than most people want to do.
I gave honest opinions on hardware that is fairly close to stock condition. I don’t do huge tweaks on my hardware because it gets to be expensive and defeats the purpose///
I went back and forth between the LS-40 and the LS-32 and they’re nearly identical with the exception of the pivot. Everything I can do on one I can do on the other with the exception of the 32 being uncomfortable to play on because of the pivot.
Hayabusa doesn’t feel the same, it’s definitely more JLF when it’s set up stock. However, and this is why my initial impressions were so different, was I lever modded mine out of the box. With levers, it’s really close to how a 40 (more so the 40) or a 56 will feel. Since they use the same microswitches (Matsushita tend to be a bit softer than the Omron switches used in JLF) that also contributes a little. But anything else, it’s not a Seimitsu. All the measurements are nearly identical to the JLF, especially the microswitch mounting and this is a key factor in the stick.
I went back and tried the same mods on a JLF and guess what? Felt similar to LS-40 and LS-56 with the exception that it actually felt superior to the 56 from smoother pivot action.
There isn’t much deviation in measurements from these sticks. Levers add .5 mm shorter engage so JLF and Hayabusa, and then the actuator’s bell shape is a tad different and will hit the levers differently, but besides that slight deviation, they’re all pretty close. The major deviation from all the joysticks I’ve tried is the 32, that pivot is just something else and I don’t mean that in a good way.
To me the Hayabusa has a shorter gate and engage and in my current adjustment period I have to actively think to ‘ride’ the gate more than the JLF.
It has longer throw, the engage is the same. Let me clarify, very slightly longer throw.
The throw is probably the only thing I dislike about the hayabusa. Coming from the LS-32, it feels significant enough. Everything else about the hayabusa is superior imo.
Longer throw would make you less apt to ride the gate, not shorter throw.