Hori Hayabusa unboxing + mods!

Ok, shit got real at about 8 pm at the UPS office when I had to pick this package up because someone, somewhere, got my apt # wrong. Anyway, look at this!!

I wonder what’s inside!

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1561.JPG

Oh my, is that a PERSONALLY signed letter of thanks? Damn, Hori you know how to treat a man. If you keep this up, I may love you long time…

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1563.JPG

Oooh, so pretty! Sanwa never sends me such pretty boxes and Seimitsu? I don’t even think they know what boxes are! But look at you Hori, I think you’ve sent me Pandora’s Box! It’s so dark and mysterious, I wonder…

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1564.JPG

What’s this at the bottom of the box? Gasp The rumors are true! There ARE stickers! Hori, I’m taking a wild guess that you’d love it if I stuck these stickers all over my stick and went out in public, to a place like EVO maybe, right? Well… maybe if you treat me right, you know I might just do it! They aren’t THAT bad looking! Yeah, ok, maybe I’m a little convinced, maybe…

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1565.JPG

Pandora’s box in all her glory, just look at it.

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1566.JPG

Yeah, these are definitely going on my stick. Hori, are we going to go steady soon?

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1567.JPG

Oh my, look at all that protection you have. You wrapped it up just for me? Well, I don’t like it wrapped, so we about to get raw in here.

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1568.JPG

Well, maybe lets not be too hasty now…

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1569.JPG

Aye, ye like foreplay, yea? Perhaps I was too eager, Hori. Look at these textured washers, allow me to illustrate their textured glory!

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1570.JPG

Ah, finally I have unwrapped thee. See the ball top? See the shaft cover? See the dust washers? And see Hayabusa in all her glory to the left? Oh, I can’t wait! I’m going to get you so naked and raw in just a minute!

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1571.JPG

Alas, I hast unscrewed thine gate, and shall probe and prod hither and to! Glorious!

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1573.JPG

I see thou hast familiar parts… couldst thou be akin to mine past love?

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1574.JPG

Now I hath pulled mine shaft out. Gaze in awe at the glory of the pivot! See, tis well lubed! Nay, can’t be! For ne’er hast I seen the lubing of shafts out of the box afore!

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1575.JPG

Aha! I thought thine parts familiar! Gaze at those pulled from the Elleste Fitty Sixt! Ye doth share, ye do! Welcome back to thine castle, Matsushita!

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1576.JPG

From the same mold, yea?

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1577.JPG

Oh, Hayabusa, as much as I love the obvious quality and care put into thee, alas, ye lack levers.

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1578.JPG

Doth mine eyes deceive! What trickery is this?!

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1579.JPG

Stock spring, meet mine friend, Elleste Fitty Fith spring! Thou aren’t tense enough, mi’lady.

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1580.JPG

Ah, such a friendly PCB thou hast, for those nights ye feel alone and old, thou shalt hath new parts!

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1581.JPG

Tis true what hearest me about thine V…

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1582.JPG

Alas, thou shalt not do. To the lake, with ye!

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1583.JPG

And thou shalt meet Excalibur (cough Dremel cough) and mine grip shalt wield it so!

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1584.JPG

And thou shalt hath levers forever more!!

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1585.JPG

Plus a shaft and dustwasher of the purest silver! And a Dragon bat top bathed in the fairest moonlight of the night!

Spoiler

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34563876/100_1586.JPG

I hope you all enjoyed! Apologies about the delay but the mod had to be done before I posted. Why? Because, Tech Talk! I told you all I wouldn’t go 5 minutes without modding it out the box. For what it’s worth, this is like the best of both worlds for Sanwa and Seimitsu. As you can clearly see, the inclusion of the metal washer is clearly Sanwa inspired. The actuator as well, is Sanwa inspired. The material for the actuator has to be ABS. It’s definitely not nylon or delrin, and definitely not acrylic. The gate is clearly Seimitsu inspired right down to the hole design and the switches and the tension also Seimitsu inspired. Considering they share the same brand switches, this is a no brainer but then the placement of the switches also feels clearly Seimitsu inspired. When I did the mod to the body no plastic melted even at a high speed and no funky odors as well. I definitely like the stick a lot so far. It has a ton of mod potential, a LS-55 spring has more tension and fits right in with no modding necessary. The shaft looks to be JLF inspired to a degree. The pivot has a high quality design but the material is not delrin or nylon, it feels much harder like ABS. I would have preferred delrin but, considering how limited the points of contact are on the pivot, I do not think this is an issue.

So far, I’m rating this a 10/10. Out the box it feels good, nice tension, decent engage though the throw feels large to me (I play on no throw mods) but isn’t anywhere near as large as a JLF. The stick has a nice tension out of the box as well, not too loose like a JLF. I’m thinking this is more akin to a LS-40 in feel. The smooth pivot, the engage and throw, all reminds me of the 40. Very different from the LS-56 and JLF. I haven’t used a LS-32 yet except briefly and this doesn’t feel like that, either. At the moment, I’m going to say if you want to try a LS-40 and are willing to do a minor mod to get levers on the stick, then get a Hayabusa.

interested…

Can you please spoiler up the images? It makes it hard to view and read the thread post without it. The whole page keeps shifting down whenever it loads up mega images.

so it comes with matsushita switches?

im kinda dissapointed.

Interesting that they label their Kuro buttons as “Tournament Button”.

Equally interesting is that the kanji for Kuro used isn’t the one for “black” (“黒”) as people seemed to think, but rather as “玄”, which unfortunately appears to have many translations, none of which are fitting in this context to me.

Glad to see you like the joystick, I’m loving this stick as well. Now 100% Sanwa free!

What’s so bad about them? From taking apart both Matsushita and Omron, they not only have interchangeable parts, but identical parts. The only difference is how pretty the switch housing is, Omron obviously looks nicer but it isn’t a big deal as long as the insides work just as well.

If anyone lever mods these, they’ll need the fatter Matsushita levers.

Sadly, I wouldn’t know anything about that. At least they’re wanting the tournament scene. If people were to dump Sanwa for Hori I wouldn’t blame them, I’m thinking about dumping Seimitsu now. This is a really nice joystick!

Indeed. Maybe one day, Seimitsu free, too! Who knows. I love Seimitsu though so I’d probably keep a few of their levers as back up just in case Hori was to stop production.

Ah, the Hayabusa is basically a LS-40/LS-56 hybrid.

JLF-like qualities:
Metal washer below spring holder
Shaft is kinda similar from what I remember
Spring is similar from what I remember
Symmetrical switch layout
Actuator is similar and has an angled bell design unlike Seimitsu
No levers
Mounting holes built directly into the stick body so it can be mounted without a plate, just like the JLF

LS-40-like qualities:
Pivot
Engage
Throw
Matsushita switches
Gate

LS-56-like qualities
Symmetrical switch layout
Engage
Throw
Matsushita switches
Gate

The engage and throw is possibly identical, if not it’s at least near identical, to the LS-40/LS-56. The same mod I did for the LS-56 which put a washer over the actuator to no throw it, works exactly the same without further modification on the Hayabusa. This means the throw and engage is the same because the no throw mod works by removing the throw and making the lever stop as soon as the switch is engaged.

Hayabusa:
JLF like shaft parts, but LS-40/LS-56 like measurements and body parts.

That’s the easiest way I can break it down. If you like the LS-40/LS-56, you will like the Hayabusa. It’s literally everything great about both companies’ sticks. Except in the case of the Hayabusa, the actuator isn’t a overly soft piece of shit like Sanwa’s, lol. While the shaft parts design resembles Sanwa more, the functionality of the stick is basically a Seimitsu clone. This is a good thing.

On top of that, the Hayabusa is compatible with the LS-32, LS-40, LS-33, and LS-55 springs. I’m pretty sure the stock spring is a stock JLF spring, but I am not 100% sure because I no longer have a JLF, thank goodness, yet that means I can’t just test it out like I can with the other springs.

You can easily switch in Omron switches if you wanted to. All you’d need to do is desolder the wires from the terminals and solder on new switches, it is probably one of the easier solder mod jobs out there. I love the fact that it uses basic snap action switches with wires soldered to them instead of having the terminals soldered down to the PCB. It makes switching switches much easier, as I’ve ruined 2 PCB’s in the past from solder points ripping up PCB traces. Yikes!

The PCB terminal is also Seimitsu designed I believe. A Seimitsu harness snaps right onto it and the ground wire matches the ground PCB. Too bad I can’t test it out right now, I wish I could! I have no way to mount it in my custom stick.

I’ll update this thread the more I play with the Hayabusa. I think it’s time to retire the LS-40 and LS-56.

@moonchilde

^an FE batch had omrons… i got nothing about Matsushitas, i use them for ls-32’s myself. just disappointing that HORI still has these inconsistencies, or rather, they dont seem to stick to specifc specs, or tend to change them around, i dunno why. it was the same for the HRAP EX (some release had yamatake micros, some had omrons) and FS line(some had omrons, some had matsushitas). its just weird and slightly inconsistent, and i know you know how much micros make a difference. I just cant stand that two people might get a different experience or impression regarding the same product because some internal parts were different. in this case, its a non-issue for me, just weird. i wonder why they switched it back to matsushitas. (jdm’s proto pics had matsushitas too, huh)

anyways cool mods, i knew you would do the lever mod instantly. I was gonna ask for a comparison between Silent JLF actuator vs. Hayabusa actuator, if you had any… one of the first things i wanna try is a silent mod using D2RV-G’s (mine should arrive this week ugh)

edit - sell me your ls-40, i can use them for neogeo superguns :v

edit edit - any luck on the gates? Does it line up with any of seimitsu or sanwa gates measurement wise?

Same here! Once I got to use the Fighting EDGE with the Hayabusa and Kuro parts. I am never going back to Sanwas :slight_smile:

Nice breakdown. The stick looks good but after getting a ls-56 with a broken corner on the pcb the box for the hayabusa is the most impressive part to me. Maybe Sanwa and Seimitsu will learn from their example.

Many meanings, indeed. Basic meaning is black, but can also be black tinted with the red color. Other meaning that comes to mind is that of something incredible, awesome.

So, a black and awesome button.

Yeah, if the Omron and Matsushita switches are using different tensions there will definitely be inconsistency with the Hayabusa. The switches are pretty typical if you’re used to Seimitsu, they feel about the same.

For silent actuator vs Hayabusa, I’m really not sure there is any room left in the stick for a larger actuator. The switches are almost lined up against the bell part of the actuator, anything larger may cause inconsistencies with directions. I’m not even sure the actuator is the same, in fact it looks a little skinnier to me but I can’t compare at the moment. If you were to D2RV mod it, you may want to slap some levers on it and be done. A friend of mine who was supposed to do some photoshoots of the PA mods still has the parts, so I may go to his house and pick them up.

The gate has the same restriction measurements as the LS-56, but the gates are not interchangeable since they are different sizes with different screw hole layout because of the different switch layout. The top of the actuator is about the same as the LS-56, however, the switch placement is a bit different because the Hayabusa actuator is shaped like a bell. While the engage and throw are the same, it’s simply a different switch layout for the lower part of the stick.

I’m really surprised Hori went with the LS-40/LS-56 design and not JLF. That surprises me most, I was thinking this was going to be more JLF than anything because of the mass penetration JLF has. No, I’m pleasantly surprised this is mostly a LS-46 clone using JLF clone parts.

Quick update:

The gate is made out of Polycarbonate, or as we know Lexan
The body is made out of Polyoxymethylene, or as we know Delrin.
I’m taking a guess that the actuator and pivot are also made of Delrin if the body of the stick is as well and the two plastics feel the same.

Now it makes sense why the body didn’t melt as I cut into it at high speeds with the Dremel. Delrin is really good at being machined. I didn’t think it was ABS but I didn’t think Hori was going to make the body out of Delrin, either.

That’s actually quite impressive.

Thanks a lot for the very informative post. Does the famed “awkward dead zone wigglyness” of the LS-** sticks rear it’s ugly head with this one, or does it feel luxuriously precise, like the JLF?

Moonchilde,

Impressive review!

Good question. With the LS-55 spring in the stick I do not notice any dead zone wiggle. Stock spring is less tense so it may have some wiggle out of the box, but it’s going to be minor. It’s not like my Seimitsu sticks or even past JLF in that regard.

Thank you! I’ll keep this thread updated as I find more information about it, but I feel like I have a lot of what I wanted to know done such as engage, throw, and the materials of the stick. At this point, it’s going to be mods going forward.

@Moonchilde

Thanks for sharing, So much picture awesomeness of everything, I feel like I’m the one who got one!

Great pics!

I hope the Kuros come in as nice a package. I’m definitely gonna get a set of those to replace the RBGY buttons.