Honda HHS Tutorial Video

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First: I appreciate the sober reply and the reasonable extrapolations. Everyone, I’m sure, has a certain point that they personally consider to be an acceptable “bending” of the rules (or in this case, inputs), beyond which methods become cheesy, lame, cheating, etc. You sound a little judgmental to me, but I understand that the way I feel about macros or turbo settings may be the exact way you feel about remapping unused buttons. It’s just a matter of personal thresholds.

Second: I may have not made myself clear earlier. Mapping the fourth button has allowed me to start using HHS as an actual part of my play, helping me to add it to mental gameplans as well as to muscle memory, but I consider this easier slide to be a crutch, not a solution. After only ~30 mins of practice and maybe another 2 hours of G1 online play, I’m much lighter on the buttons and my slide is less clumsy… it’s faster, more natural. The idea is that this method will, over time, enable me to do a proper slide on arcade controls.

You don’t hand a 10 year old kid who’s interested in chemistry a University-level Organic Chem textbook and tell them to get to work, do you? Nor do you hand them the book and say “if you can’t understand this, just accept that you can’t do it”. Learning is a process, and without a positive or negative feedback loop (initial attempt, feedback, iterative adjustment, attempt, feedback, iterative adjustment, etc.) a person literally cannot develop a skill. When I was practicing piano before and blistering up my fingers doing crappy slides, it got me nowhere, 0-15% success rate. Without the extra button to act as a bridge (which, I might add, is pretty close to the legit motion), I never would have been able to refine any of my motions through this positive feedback loop.

I tried that, hehe. I found out that if you map multiple buttons to the same input, hitting them in rapid succession can negate the inputs altogether. Any inputs that would register as :hp::hp: (third button + fourth button) don’t register at all. Even a rapid slide usually yields only one :hp: input, even if there is no fat-fingering involved. I have button4 mapped to :lp: because it has the least likelihood of “dropping” an input due to rapid different-button inputs.

TL;DR = I’m sorry if you think I’m a dirty cheater, but in order to be legit and develop skills, sometimes people need a helping hand along the way.

Peace :china:

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i think it’s just a matter of finding the right sequence. i can’t do mr.snk’s method at all but i can do

:lp: :mp: :hp: :lp: :hp: on command. a friend of mine that plays gen does

:lp: :mp: :hp: :mp: :hp: and it works for him. when i try that my fingers just mush :mp: :hp: and i get ex instead. just try em all out!

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hhs techniques, gotta catch em all!

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HHS is killing me, so damn hard. I’m realizing the slide method sucks for me, I’m not doing it fast enough. C.jab slide jab,m,strong + strong x2 is a lot of work.:mad:

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been experimenting with double tapping when i comes to HHS, been trying out double tapping c.lp x2 to HP. I almost got it fast enough, but not getting the full 8 hit combo that c.lp xx HHS is.

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ahh see… you have a totally different mentality to it than most other people who use similar advantages.
using something as an aid in order to eventually learn it the correct way is much different than say a kid who just decides he’s always going to use training wheels on his bike because it works fine so why bother learning without the training wheels.

as long as you are still striving to learn it the correct way, there is nothing wrong with that.

sorry if i sounded like i was being judgmental. i was really just curious why someone who sounded mature and intelligent would take that shortcut since it’s usually people with a different mentality (like the i just want to win, i don’t care how i do it type) that usually go that route.

pieguy… lol interesting fact about filipino champ.
he is definitely a skilled player but i think part of the reason you don’t hear anyone say anything about his use of the 3p button is because most people don’t know. generally people just assume good players don’t use macros period.
i wonder if he would screw up his yoga totem more if he didn’t use it?

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i’ve watched both tutorial videos multiple times and read just about everybody’s post in this thread to improve on linking lp to HHS. i’ve been trying the piano method for several weeks now and i feel more comfortable pianoing lp~mp~fp~lp~fp

however, this hasn’t been working for me unless i do it after a jump in. I wanna be able to just link the HHS just from a single jab without always having to jump in and i haven’t been able to do that a single time in training mode.

i was just wondering if there was a certain timing to pianoing or if pianoing lp~mp~fp~lp~fp even works or if i am just supposed to paino the 5 inputs as fast as i can. I can piano those 5 inputs pretty fast but hands wont come out if i do it too fast and i know im pianoing the right inputs from the input display

can someone please give me some tips any help will be appreciated i’ve really tried hard to learn this on my own but i just can’t get it down ><

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Ok straight up, I didn’t read anything you said. Sit down and keep trying to either use my method of what is going to work for you with 5 button presses.

Just sit there and keep doing cr.jab xx HHS. Your hands will start to hurt after a while but you need to just keep practicing that shit until you get it. Pull fingers and stretch em out. don’t stop until you can HHS.

P.S. Listen to the button presses on HHS Tut vid 2. You have to get a feel for it.

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do it as fast as you can. it will come out on hit and on block.

however if you do it very fast, it will not come out on whiff.
this is important however, because some times you don’t want it to come out on whiff. and sometimes you do.
so being able to control this is actually pretty important but not often talked about in here.

you can get the two different versions by modifying the speed of your inputs but i do it by using two different piano techniques.

hhs that doesn’t come out on whiff - i use lp,mp,hp,lp,hp or lp,mp,hp, hp~mk (hp~mk means p-link)

hhs that does come out on whiff - i use lp,mp,hp,hp,hp (of course this also happens if you do lp,mp,hp,lp,hp and just don’t do it really fast)

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just want to add to mrsnk suggestion,

if you’re doing the lp, hp, mp, lp, hp, to add more practice, do it without the buttons, tap it on the table, while you eat, while you drive, while you’re waiting for your gf shopping clothes, you’ll get the rhythm down, trust me it helps a lot. if ur still having trouble, start with hp,mp,lp, because its the easiest and natural movement. connecting the lp to hp is the most important cuz if u screw that up, you screw the rest. so make sure it connects fast.

if you want to do the cr. mk xx HHS slide method, the easiest way is to use ur thumb for the mk, then use your index finger and make a car windshield wipe motion from right to left to right, trust me you’ll get it working easily. its so hard to screw it up because its so damn easy. hope this helps. :party:

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Had casuals with friends last nite and after testing the 4th button binded to lp method, gotta say, if you can get past the mental block that it’s cheap, it’s f*ckin amazingly easy. Super consistent and guaranteed without much thought at all. Good find, kinda…

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lol i have it set at default 4th button = PPP i dont see how its cheap. Auto-correct/shortcuts are lame, i like this game but seriously its the only one i’ve been good at and its because the game was made to be easy
your damn right i’m gonna use 3xpunch for hands, cheap or not thats how they made this game

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But you don’t use PPP for hhs do you? Just ultra shortcutting right? Or do you use PPP for ex hhs?

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ex hhs

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I can’t do it in any way :
maybe it’c cuz i’m lefthanded :\

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it’s not how they made the game.

3p macro as well as the ability to bind more than 6 buttons is only in the game to make it more accessible to pad players.

8 button joystick was only a financial decision made by madkatz in order to compete on the joystick market.
the reasons for 8 buttons are:
allow for the japanese curved set up as welll as the american set up on the same stick.
allow for enough buttons to support all the button functionality on consoles.
allow for support of other games (ones that use 8 buttons but not 2 analog sticks i guess?)
to compete with other joysticks like hraps because scrubby casual player mentality when buying a joystick is that more buttons are better.
none of these decisions had anything to do with the design of the game.
i mean they put auto fire on the joysticks too… does this have anything to do with sf4? (but the OFFICIAL sf4 joystick has auto fire. it’s obviously meant to be used right?)

sf is a 6 button game. honestly what reason is there to have more than 6 buttons other than for people to be lazy and not learn how to do things correctly?
why bother learning how to play boxer while charging turn punch the legit way when you can just hold down a 3p or 3k button with your pinky? fucking lame.

i can’t wait until they let people just map entire moves and supers to one button. (oh wait, doesn’t blazblue let you do that?)

whatever, to each their own i guess.
do what you gotta do to win.

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People who use shortcuts only cheat themselves not another player. Its like learning electric guitar before acoustic. Some one who could not perform a ultra normally mapped it to a button it would make them better yes… but they would obv still suck. They most likely suck at blocking and everything else in the game. the only time it would give you the advantage is if you could do it all normally and your using short cuts to make sure your never miss. In the case of using a 3x P or K i can see how that would happen.

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hmm maybe it’s just me but piano/slide methods never worked for me (tried awhile back, but went back to the old ways)

i tend to get c.LP XX HHS by double tapping LP (index f.) then quickly mashing HP (middle/ring f.) from either standing or crossed up j.MK splash. the dangers of this though is that every once in awhile LP HHS may come out. for the most part though, it seems pretty successful for me.

any other HHS HP mashers =) ?

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i am an HP HHS masher/Slider hybrid!

I mash hp off a clean jump in, over a fireball mostly, but i go for the slide when im confident.

Still getting my slide down, my fingers hurt.

And yeah, 6 buttons is how the game was meant to be played. Suck it up kids.

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That and it makes for a cleaner looking joystick with more unobstructed art.