I’m wondering something.So when Hakan does oil slide, he gets pass his opponent, then jumps back on him.What if like, his oil slide hits dhalsim’s cr.far jab from half screen away.He will jump forward for the splash, right?Or will he glitch lol?
I think it’ll be like whenever Honda’s ultra 1 hits Seth’s jumping fierce from max distance: in that Dhalsim will automatically be teleported to Hakan’s position, so that Hakan can slip behind him and bellyflop his prone body.
That is indeed what happens
Dunno if mentioned but the 360p is kind of the opposite of Gief. Giefs jab made em land closer to you at the cost of less damage. Hakans jab 360 actually sends them full screen so you can safely hk oil up, again for less damage. its the fierce that drops em a bit closer to you.
The slide is very unsafe. Im throwing em out there and getting hit from stuff left and right. My hit confirmation is ass.
Also im not too good with consistent strict link chains, and you cant just spam jab or short with Hakan.
Still trying to do some old Alex type stuff like f+mp into ddt, but this games weird.
Dunno if its just me but i accidentally do ALOT of 360s in this.
go for oil, whiff spd. Also his 360p has HORRIBLE range. I havent tests real range differences but thinking like gief the Jab would have the best range, it sures hell is short. He will even take that slight step in and whiff his hands though 50% of their body sometimes.
Wow, I expect Hakan to have a LOT of hidden juice in this and karas.
the strangest spezial i ever faced i his 360+K it wiffs up close but catch the opponend if your fying under him even if you are not touching him
i guess it needs further investigation the delaying is actualy quite helpfull since you can delay it on a "backward"jumper so you will direktly fly under him and he can not hit you and if he jump steight you are save at least its a nice tool burd totaly confusing to handle!
So he can cancel into any normal or special from a forward dash while oiled? Does this include from a Focus Attack dash while oiled? And can you cancel into a Focus Attack from a forward dash while oiled?
I just think it would be hilarious to see FocusdashFocusdashFocusdashFocusdash.
Maybe someone’s already found these, but here we go:
So far I’ve found that you get a guaranteed ddt on wakeup off of d+hk, f+hk (while oiled), air throw, and 360. With the exception of air throw super worked as well (I’m sure it works, I just suck).
I don’t know how backdash would affect these, but I’m going to imagine that EX would grab any/all backdashes as it appears to have the longest active frames…lk/mk/hk not so much.
…I must amend the above statement. Using Sagat he backdashed to safety on everything, including super so…viable I guess, but once someone knows the setup you’ll have to throw in delays and start playing very risky mindgames when it’s already risky enough thanks to regular reversals.
just a simple question WHICH option do charakters without reversal hafe on wakeup against 360+k? honestly every charakter is just SHORTTIME STANDING and if timed right it should not be possible without invulnerability reversal to react to it or is it ?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but those aren’t the hooligan-style setups that UltraDavid is referring too(?)
The Hooligan setups involve grabbing someone who quick recovered your attack after they hit the ground, and you grab them as they complete the quick recover animation. I don’t think they can even backdash during this phase. Again someone correct me if wrong. I dunno Cammy that well lol.
I tested the hooligan-esque setups for oil dive as well, they work. good shit kyrian.
I think the best use of Oil Dive (360+K) is when you’re going for tick set ups. I don’t think it’s worth it to waste your wake-up to do Oil Dive, because if you guess wrong you’re pretty screwed. Because it’s not like it grabs immediately like his Oil Rocket.
It’s more of a move you do when you are specifically trying to bait the jump to land it, or on reaction. Think of it how Claw players would use Sky High Claw (D, U+P).
Hakan is pretty ass without being oiled up. So against rushdown characters its going to be a real pain. But when he’s oily he does get pretty beefy. He has a bunch of 50/50s after practically every special he has.
Here’s a little list of things you can do (taking into account that you’re already oiled up. If not use the knockdown to get yourself wet).
- after jab Oil Rocket you can use jab slide to get right next to them
- after strong Oil Rocket toward+RH, followed by toward+strong puts you in range for either a jab or strong Oil Rocket (don’t remember if fierce works)
- after fierce Oil Rocket walk forward a step and half or so, cr. RH and it sets them up for a magic grab
- after landing an airthrow or slide follow up you can use short Oil Up. When you recover it sets them up for another magic grab
That’s all I can remember for now. Just know that obviously none of these are guaranteed. But they’re really good ways to set up your 50/50s.
Things you can do on their wakeup
- immediately go for Oil Rocket
- if you think they’re going to jump cr. forward into Oil Slide
- you can go for the tick and then try to throw (either Oil Rocket or if you think they’re going to jump up, here is where you can bust out the Oil Dive)
- go for a meaty (toward+RH is pretty good)
- and most importantly you can always just block if you don’t want to risk anything
That’s all I got for now. Gonna go back to the lab and test more things
What I want to test is safe oil setups when I eventually get the game.
Since it seems like Dudley has the most punish potential on oils I would set him to do EX MGB on wakeup to see if I can get punished or not.
Duds can only punish you with ex MGB if you do the RH Oil Shower after the jab version
Damn it’s such a pain to test all this shit out by yourself. I’ll test more and post later. But yeah there’s the answer to you question
Edit:
Okay so Blanka can shout of earth you if you try to do a strong Oil Shower after a jab Oil Rocket
Almost. It’s just that certain knockdowns put you in a state where you are forced to stand (but can block lows still) during your first couple of vulnerable frames, so the 360+k is ‘free’. They don’t HAVE to quick rise, but in Cammy’s case those setups are the easiest to get a ‘free’ hooligan off of. But even in her case, she gets a free one off of her forward throw which is untechable.
the best oilsetup i found is still oilslide+bodypress then LK-OIL the timing is damn hard (mashing wont help you here you need to learn the timing!) but its save against every charakter and lead to a perfekt wakeupgame after! i assume your on 0 frames since zangif can not grab you after the LK-OIL and its so damn hard wouldn allow more then +1
and there it is :
- 8Seconds Oiled
-next to the enemy with +1 till 0 Frameadvantage
that allows setups for
-360+P (against everybody except Gief/THawek
-360+k DELAYED against jump aways!
-c.mk into slide again
best setp so faar
Good shit Dragonite. This is Charles, Art introduced me to you at WCWZII while you were playing HDR before the Grand Finals.
As for 50/50’s, remember that Hakan can cancel his dash into normals, while oiled up, you essentially have a 3/4 screen 50/50 mixup, you can either dash into towards+roundhouse, or just grab. You can even just block to bait a reaction.
quick question about sf game mechanics, since hakan’s 360p’s startup is 3 frames, and most characters grab’s are 3 frame startup, what wins if they start at the same time? I assume the command grab, but i’ve been grabbed out of the oil rocket a few times…
Are you sure about that? I could’ve sworn that one of Capcom demo videos for him mentioned canceling out of it into one of his command grabs. For Blanka’s coward crouch, only the down has to be held to continue staying down–letting go/continuing to hold of PPP doesn’t affect it. Are you sure Hakan’s doesn’t work like that, and trying that might help cancel it?
When oiled, cr.lk is the only normal that changes frame advantage? I cannot find any other.
Does it exists a close combo finished with oil slide? (hit confirm is better).
I only find this one (NOT oiled): lk, lk, lp, f+lp
Are you sure you can cancel a dash with a special while oiled? I cannot do that, only normals seem to work.
A tip:
When oiled, if you FADC you can do interesting combo like:
f+MP FADC close HP (3 hits)
or
f+MP FADC f+MP XX oil slide