Your points are absolutely correct. This isnt tech to solve the problem. Its just an option. I play some of the best bisons online. Trust me when i say its possible to get this jn a match. Its not reliable against lk scissor. Thats not what this is for tho. Its for mk and up. Bison also use mk and up to keep scissor pressure on gouken. It works for mk and up. I had a vid of kara grab done on lk but the timing is strict, like everything else with gouken. Didnt spend enough time with it though. I posted this as an entrance into how the match is SUPPOSED to be played. I love this match. It used to be my worst match. I just figured it out. So when you get the jist of why i use this tech, i know you will understand. Again this isnt the one stop shop for scissor kick. Its an option.
Raw Dong Wong. You are an old ass out of all times ass geezer huh. @dek my tech popped your mans cherry by accident so now hes raging against the will of change. Pms must be a bitch when youre going through male midlife crisis. Its ok tho. When you get the correct timing on that one safe jump, keep telling yourself its unreliable. Dick viens for brains smh.
-I never crowned myself Leader here… do you look up to me as the LEADER?? AWWW how cute.
-Why does the fate of all the new Goukens rise and fall with me??? No need to wait on me… I already told everybody how I find/found the windows…
-What a dummy… IF you’ve lurked so long, you’d know what I probably pride myself most on is being able to be safe with the character… Stupid ass.
Please Re-Read the title of this thread!!! I told you that on my first post!
You blame Gouken tech not working on Gouken on me??? You dumbass… that’s b/c Capcom gave him kongo, and no good offensive… that ain’t my fault. You are really reaching… Gouken is just Anti Goukn…
How many times does lp palm > fadc ultra hit for??? 5 right… . ok… You sir are a very stupid man. You talking about combos now??? Really???
So b/c I prefer to make $ and not fight a billion fights in ranked just to gain some points that will start from 0 on the next patch makes me an amateur??? You sound stupid as FUCK calliing me an amateur… it’s no need to even talk about that dumb shit…
I don’t owe the community shit… It’s Gouken users out there who put info out all the time… I actually need a cable for my cap card to work, since I moved last July and my house is bigger so my computer and XBox are no longer in the same… but that would too easily explain why I haven’t used it since then… and if I go by a new cable it would be to just post videos to show shit??? I didn’t think it was that serious… but maybe it is. I gotta pray about that.
I didn’t know that I MUST play in tourneys… Xbox and offline is fine for me.
HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE… Sounds like somebody needs some hand holding… Not here… LOL.
This whole rant is just stupid…
The Gouken’s here have minds of their owns… I’m just one voice, I don’t have a gun to everybody’s head. No one has to listen if I say something… they don’t… but there’s also been history that’s been built that you can’t erase… and with that came Trust… I never asked for that, it just happened.
It’s everybody’s responsibility to make sure we are putting out the right info in regards to Gouken… not just mines. So if you post something, and a Well Known Member / Gouken says hold up, it doesn’t quite work that way… then you should fucking listen. At least try to see their perspective… And if no one else says it’s bullshit… believe me I will.
Now I SAW what you were doing, but the shit is … how would you say or admit… UN-RELIABLE… But this isn’t about Gouken anymore…
You seem to disregard that, and you are worried about me?? a nobody… hmmmmm…
What other personal issues do you have with me? Tell me how you really feel… Did I fuck your girl/ex or something???
This FOOL comes here, talks ALL this SHIT… .and then says some dumb shit like “NON OF IT IS COMPLETELY RELIABLE”… then in the wall rants above talks about how to make the un safe - safe.
Dude… and you had the nerve to call ME Theory Fighter???
RAW - you are a clown… seriously…
This nigga Really put himself on a list with people that 85% he couldnt even meet in a tournament…let alone a fucking match. You really put yourself on a list of killers…as if you are equal to them and their accomplishments?! 15% would agree…i guess lol. You really are a senile guy. Fuck battle points, fuck player points, what is your win percentage against said Players. Please entertain us with the logic you have. Because you sucked LordofUltimas dick for knowlegde, you have been anointed with godlike Street Fighter skills with Gouken!!! You noticed how most if not all of these players hardly post here right. And you see their accomplishes wether it be making it to grand finals(shiine), showing goukens offensive defensive style with excellence(bullcat), his defensive offensive game(desora), or even the ability to win against killers by doing goukens basic shyt(infiltration), so where the fuck do you fit in that list. Stop glorifying yourself. You look like a lil nigga to these alpha players everytime you big them up then add in the fact you “re created” other players tech to make it your own for your character. And then you repeatedly suck your own dick for your “borrowed” accomplishes. You are the lamest nigga on here. No respect. And if ever play you, you only have to worry about getting normaled to ko. Thats all youre worth.
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3 years ago… Back Dash it.
You’re getter dumber by the post.
It’s personal again… how cute… it’s an empty wagon making a lot of noise.
Didn’t you say this, with your mouth open for Phunkism to jizz on you.
Its unreliable because the timing is strict on 3 framers. It isnt impossible to get cosistantly like i do on the characters tht matter. Even a trade is in your favor because roundhouse slams them down. So both ryus no ultra and on quick rise they have to get in again which how i play, thats what i want. Good. Now we know your place here. You are the “Other Guy”. I never saw you as the master of these threads…plz. Your matches online are filled with “garbage” that is the way you play. Im saying you write as if you are the sole progenitor of all things gouken. I always knew you werent but I guess you cant help but put things in mouths. You play gouken the safest…but what is your win percenta…o thats right. Thats why you made this thread. So you can bitch about yourself and what you are unable to do in a real match. Why dont you play 3S. There are parries…o wait no demon flips. Damn. What about ST or HDR o wait, no parries or demon flips. Must suck being you. No pun intended.
“You’re getter dumber by the post”…?!! This guy.
Oh lol, thanks man, I really appreciate that. I step away for the weekend, come back and theres **2 pages **of shit lol.
TBH fellas, this is kinda turning into a pointless argument. There’s nothing really concrete to even argue because everything RAW is saying is all situational setups and tactics. So man, unless you’re gonna make a vid or provide a write up on what you have found that works on which characters and in which situations and with what timing…its a moot point sir, no offense. No one is actively looking for this stuff and is wanting wanting wanting vids, you just came to the table with certain things and some of it was bullshit, some of it was highly situational and very impractical and some of it was actually solid. We’ve sparred and you’re a pretty good Gouken but all of this tech talk is irrelevant to me. Not saying that you dont, but whats tech if you dont win. Whats the point of dong a 5-6 hit combo mid screen w/o using tatsu and blah blah if you dont win the match? Why not just do a 35-40% bnb thats guaranteed damage minusing all of these crazy one-frame links that may get you killed? Unless you’re Abel, Sakura or E. Ryu who HAS to do one frame links to do damage…why? Personally I’d rather be working on my timing, zoning, spacing and frame trapping that takes 60 % life when your opponent pushes a button…meta game. Learning to outsmart and out-think my opponent so I can WIN. No offense to both of you guys but IAM, this arguing is pointless homie…if he has some stuff, he’s either gonna hoard it or maybe he can get his name out there, pull this stuff off on a grander scale and maybe we’ll see it then. We know that certain stuff has been bullshit from the beginning but honestly he pulled off some things in our matches that I have never seen before from anyone. Now granted, we know these quirks exist, but he’s applied it to certain situations that personally I haven’t seen applied before. Sometimes they worked and sometimes they got him killed which makes it risky and somewhat unreliable to me. Some of his setups are solid but some are a bit misdirected and thats cool…everyone has their own setups and everyone is their own Gouken.
RAW, I gotta say man, the 3 frame shit is bullshit as we all know but other than that, using cr.lp for AA’ing and all that craziness you have some good tech in that head of yours so just keep it up my Gouken brotha. IAM, we know whats up homie and you guys playing would again be pointless. This was started because of tech talk and now its turned in to who may be better. I say we all get along, all share like we’ve been doing and get back to why Gouken frustrates us and not why you guys frustrate eachother LOL…my opinion though.
Nothing is personal lol This thread and me going back and forth with you is entertaining the lurkers and members and also giving your life meaning rii now. Im cooking breakfast for my lovely alyanna and counting money nigga lmao. By saying its personal, YOU are making it personal. Im only addressing you because you just cant stop saying its “been done before”. “Its not new”. Three words…super string theory. Lmaooo. But wait…what is the theory? A string of super safe jumps?!? A string of reversal stuffers?!? If so…why isnt this theory used like akumas “Vortex”! O thats right…because it isnt NEW and it isnt FINISHED! Finish your work so you dont continue looking like whatyouarethatiswhatyouare. Nothing. @Phunkism hes right…i want that video editing skills that you are KNOWN FOR. Hewasbutisnot calls it Jizz. Imma coin the shyt out of that.
@dek son dont get me started. When you woke up and got hit by it, you were crouching. Then a follow up cr mp hit you for two hits. Thats is the least damage you want from that situation and it landed 2/11 or 12 times. Whats bullshyt is you and ya mans trying to rebute everything i put out there. But im far from doing what i do for two players who arent even in my field of vision, no offense. You are right about bread and butters winning over his more one frame combos. But youre looking for the meaningless win right now. I guess i clap it up for you. But that online win shyt is “gabage”. Have fun aquiring wins online and being sated from that. That shyt isnt for me. The most basic play for gouken is his most effective, granted. But your not always in a situation to land a bread and butter. Even tho im sure thats all you fish for anyway. But thats why posting here is pointless. Because im not speaking with cognitive individuals. Im speaking to sheeple, truley no offense. But it is what it is. Yall niggas are sleep walking while being awake. Typical humans either fear or shun things they dont know or cant understand. And far from playing proffessor to anyone. Trust me when I say your loss. Keep praying to the capcom gods to help your win percentages LMAO. Breakfast is good yall. GOODMORNING!
P.S. it has nothing to do with who is better. Yall keep acting like you know the character better than anyone because one has 15000 bp and the other “sucked” his way into the game. This has nothing to do with who is better. Personnally, i believe Gouken is Goukens hardest matchup. But my head isnt screwed on right…right.
If we talking points, I have 33000 over two systems with only one gamer tag each…but gives a fuck about points. O wait. Online warriors.
Ghost Edit: LOL …
If you like Chin Nuts … Click that you like this post!!!
Let’s see if he’s reading back this far to UN-LIKE this.
I’d say if anything lurkers don’t matter… If there was enough substance it’d be posted …
U basicallly lurk for what purpose? Stop and think…Amazingly I leaned after a similar sitch vs reip and immortal…
I’f u lurked that longthen ud know
eventually goukens realize we can’t do it w o each other, to be the complete pkg we need to share tech and if necessary keep anti tecvch to our own tech hidden,that’s
fine no prob w that
By far his worst matchup. At 5:5 lol so what could I be saying about the rest of the cast. MY personal biggest problem with gouken, is not knowing the gouken matchup like how I know the rest. I know how to hurt him the most with every character and himself, but playing against another of my calibur o higher, its not a nightmare like how ppl view akuma vs gouken, its frustrating. Teching backthrow with backthrow is 90% failure rate online. Most basic demon flip resets are ineffective because that 4 frame dj. Mp is just so damn good and flip kick could either get parried or focus attack forward or backdashed. Then the fact that i dont play this match often, i get tagged bu random palm, random ex tatsu even if the opponent has only on or two bars. Then i jump in wrong sometimes or random sweep catches you. So im more frustrated with myself for not knowing the matchup. The same reason this thread was created, so we could vent our frustrations on why WE SUCK in certain situations. Yall really think gouken has it bad. He doesnt. He is THE brick of SF4. His tools, normals, throws, make him a solid ROCK! But theres a catch 22 to everything. If you cant defend, dont play this character. If you can defend, but lack the ability to advance as a player, then focus on defending. But if you can do both and learn to switch depending on the situation, now you are playing the best character in the game. The rock that cant be broken if you are that strong of a player. There is only one player who emulates this while playing gouken as basic as can be. And thats ViperGoomba at least when ai used to play him pre AE. Dude was the most solid…SOLID GOUKEN I EVER PLAYED. And he did setups ppl still dont do. Basic SF2 shyt. Im different. I like to use the engine im playing on to its fullest potential. Like most top players. Im not saying blow a full meter on the flashiest combo just because. But if itll give me the win my bnb cant, ima fucking get these combos down. Two combos, one mix up. Thats all i play for. The rest of the time im defending teching and punishing. Cuz gouken TO ME is the king of that. This thread is for gouken players who cant handle the pressure of playing a solid gouken. Yall keep praying for gifts. Youve been blessed already geniuses. But all that i type isnt for yall. Its for myself. Dont tell me what doesnt work. I didnt ask you. I tested evrything thoroughly. So that backdash shit iam, backway with that shyt. No growth is obviously going to come from you so just watch and learn instead of playing teacher. This thread is pointless. Venting about YOUR inability to PERFORM WELL with a CHARACTER.
@Takin Share then then get bashed. For shyt you know works! You are right. Goukens are supposed to stay together. You think im the only gouken that knows about this. Lol. There are killer goukens who never online that I share things with because we understand, truely understand the character. I just decided to see if SRK would welcome it and so far, you guys are assholes about everything. Killers. Thats why you couldnt catch me stressing over this pointless back and forth conundrum. We know what works and what doesnt. We advanced your super string theory Iam to a style of play similar to akumas vortex. In essence, we know gouken is a knockdown character. And we know why. So the approval from this round table was never wanted. I wanted to share my complete thoughts but thank you all. I know its better left unsaid to those that cant apply it. Itll be out there eventually wether phunkism or any other nice video producer works with me.
Haha, come on man. I got hit by that setup once and its because I was crouching. I know the setup, just like I told you over the mic. I know the setup very well and it was an input glitch on my end that caused me to get hit by it. So hmm, out of the 12 times you tried it I got hit once and it was because of an input error…this makes it solid? You dont know the matchup obviously because you’re not beating kongo anyway. Theres no freaking point to even perform the setup. Have we even discussed this?! Lets…if you see Ken do an early jump, do you block high or do you block low? If you’re smart, you block low. No early jump can hit you so you KNOW he’s going for a low mixup. If you forward throw me, walk, whiff a cr.lk, I KNOW what you’re going for…whats going through my mind is “this shit doesnt work on Gouken, why is he attempting it?” Any good player will either recognize the setup or recognize that its an early jump and just not DP. You must be playing against the computer on medium again.
It KILLS me when I hear people say they dont know the matchup. YOU PLAY THE CHARACTER. How can you not know what your opponents’ options are if you know what your opponents’ options are?! Cammy is Goukens worst matchup NOT Gouken. Gouken has all the defensive tools to beat his own offensive tools unlike any character in the cast, granted, but Gouken is not even in the top 20 of being his own worst matchup. You know the two best matchups I know? Akuma and Gouken. Why? Because I’ve mained them both and I know allll the setups and I know allll the options each have and how to exploit/defeat them. So all of this “I didnt know the Gouken matchup” bullshit your’re spewing is just that…bullshit. This is your excuse for when we played? I hope not. Sounds like the king of tech would get in the lab and learn instead of giving weak excuses.
I was actually giving you a big up in saying that you had solid setups and had done some things I have never seen before. On this planet thats something called a compliment nigga. Yet you’re writing crazy responses talking about points and this and that. Go back to the background because you’re causing a bunch of unnecessary arguing and bickering and for no freaking reason. Like I’ve told a few others, if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say shit.
Slow your role eggplant. I said i dont know the match on a high level im not incompetant. I know kongo beats this setup. Duhh. I did it to show you it works. There are only 5 characters you have to alter the timing. So fall back on ya yoga flame session. I know more than you know what gouken is capable of so when i get this match down, unlike you all, my frustration will ultimately subside. Then…bliss.
Play akuma and get the treatment. I love that matchup. Tough. Like all of them. I looked at the replay ass. I got it twice like i said. But you all like to argue for argument sake so ahhhh. Lol fuck the setups you know. I play some of the best akumas. Even L i joes akuma is a beast. The matchup is manageble on the level that has to be played and it also looks epic. Because you have to defend. It almost could look dragon ball z like. Cant wait to be on the level i need to be. By the way. I didnt read all of your rant. Like this thread, its probably pointless.