Oh snap just glanced at your last words. Shyt didnt wanna type but…why you so fuckn hurt my g? Relax. I liked your post. On the internet that means i either agree completely with what you said or most. In your case most. Like i said play akuma i would love to show you a thing or two. And trust me its all for fun. Yall niggas take this online shyt tooooooo serious. Im not insulting you. Thats how i speak. You sound like assholes but im still conversing with you all…right?
And now to something completely different
And its not for when we played because you play similar to the rest of the goukens i know and thts not bad. Climaxter, nothing89, evam20, etc. it was the norm except you backthrew whenever you could. Cudos.
Maybe you should read it then and slow your role yourself. I’m giving you props and saying you’re solid and you’re talking all this points madness and people are not in your field of vision. I know the matchup because I mained him and rarely lose to Akuma even with all of his godlike options. And once again, theres no way you can not know the matchup, high level or not. You know the character inside out so you know what his options are in every situation there can possibly be. You may have to get used to the player and pick up on habits to exploit them but anyone that mains Gouken most certainly knows the matchup and should never have that excuse.
I’m actually probably the only one praising you for some of things you know and can actually perform. You need to just quit with the anger you keep dishing out for no reason.
…and I never backthrow unless I’m trying to Ultra which is MAYBE once a match. I always forward throw so I can setup my safe/deep dive kicks.
you guys mind if i join??? lol
LOL>>. This dude still talking…
Trolling at its finest…
ENTER CRACK HEAD GOUKEN!! LMMFAO
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This shit is CRAY!!!
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Personally I believe my footsies stink. But its because we dont have any good low pokes. We have godlike pokes in f.st.mk, f.st.hp and f.st.hk but cr.mp just has decent range and we cant combo anything off of it at tip. MMS Slug, #1 Dudley and I had a set a few weeks ago …won a bunch but after a while he just started destroying me. I just couldnt get in and I couldn’t really play footsies with him. Tried jumping in on him and apparently Dudley can AA with st.lp and its freaking godlike. Tried gf parry to get in? Would st.lp and still had time to recover to counter any throw attempts or any options. He just stayed mid screen, kept me at bay and flat out beat/out-footsied me. F.st.hk’s recovery is horrendous and for some reason I feel vulnerable when I cr.mp. Kinda of like its a low attack but he’s still standing and subject to punishes unlike cr.lk. We need a low normal we can string in footsie territory. Even if we dont get that, at LEAST make it seem like it in Akuma’s cr.mk, hado. Cr.mp, hado is not even close to being one.
@DEK what you perceive as anger is false bro. Relax, grab a beer and some high grade(preferably both) and lets ease out of this tension. Fellas its been real. Once again thanks for the opportunity to let me share some of my thoughts. Good luck with what you hope to accomplish in this thread and lets all get some matches in. 1.
Its great that everything is a joke to you. And you have kids. Tisk. And I wont unlike it because what yo had originally written, I did agree with.
LMAO>… this thread is funny.
FYI anyone trying to figure out my OP ( I originally said: Gouken frustrates Gouken)
I played FortyFour a while back and I tried to neutral jump his dash ins to punish, so he started doing the uppercut version to hit me instead. I don’t remember if it breaks armor or not b/c most Dudley’s won’t even use it.
I also hate the fact that he can dash through fireballs and his Ultra can go through it from damn near full screen.
His overhead mix up is probably the best on the game… you can’t even take the overhead b/c you’ll eat a full combo. CRAY…
Between the overhead (which you have to block standing), pulling the rug out from under your feet (block crouching)… however low kongo beats both… BUT… if he frame traps you with a standing attack, it beats your low kongo and your crouch tech… So you need EX…
EX Kongo, EX Palm when you land a combo, and EX Tatsu to AA (which he really has no reason to jump around hado’s…).
EX Flip isn’t really strong in this MU, save certain mix ups and occasionally getting up…
I think the match ups that frustrates me the most are the ones where Gouken’s lack of good offensive reversal is exposed, or when some one has better footsies and can easily deal with hado… sadly enough most of these characters are rush down characters.
I have noticed, most Dudleys like to PRESS buttons though… so I use kongo a lot more in this match up than most…
Spamming jab or st. hk puts an end to his full screen rush ins… No Good player relies on that though…
His Counter, you have to hit him below the waist to avoid that EX Version (iirc it only activates if you hit him up top)… it’s a couple of ways to cross him up when he activates it, and he will go the other way and end up on the other side of the screen.
Other than that… if you get a knock down on him, you get to pressure him for FREE… strangely enough, that’s where the problem lies in this MU. How can you score that hard knock down, before he gets in close.
When I play with Ken, Oni, or Akuma… they just switch it up a tad and wait for your reversal attempt… just the threat of it allows you to get some breathing room… Gouken’s only threat is kongo… and you have to pick the right one, AND it loses to grab… So most Dudley’s just say block or guess right old man, and keep the pressure up.
Tough shit for Gouken… This muthafucka taught the SRK and won’t use it!! LMFAO…
Gotta love Gouken…
LOL hell yeah. I wish we had a dp but he sadly would be broken if he did. I normally stick with low kongo because like you said it hits overhead and sweep but then you can just get thrown or cr.jabbed into an ex and you’re probably cornered when doing this. I’ve found a sweet spot where I can hado and then sweep when he ducks through. Been working on my spacing after that set and now I can land either f.st.hp or sweep consistently so I’ve stopped most Dudleys from even attempting. The problem lies in, like you said, when I make a simple mistake and they get in…you have like a 70-30 guess in his favor. EX flip is shit in this matchup…I just get cr.jabbed into combo in my recovery. I do decent in the matchup but if we had a really good low normal that we could cancel into hado, that is all that would be needed.
Getting hit with cr.lk is not enough to scare people from approaching plus it has no pushback without a hado. I could buffer tatsu but that shit is way too risky. I strictly do that on Rog’s and people who have ridiculously fast ex moves like ex shoulder from Guy, ex rush from Makoto and things like that. I’ve had way too many times the cr.lk hit an opponent crouching and I go sailing off into the sky. I like cr.lk the way it is and I believe if they buffed it up to a real shoto’s cr.mk they would have to nerf some of his other normals.
I just want cr.mp, hado to be a string at certain distances. Like I said up there, Akuma’s cr.mk, hado is not a true blockstring at certain distances although it appears that way…if we could have that, that would change our footsie game drastically. We are just outgunned atm. I cant tell you how many times I’ve done a f.st.mk only to get cr.mk, hado into fadc combo by Ryu, Ken and Akuma. It’s getting ridiculous at this point.
I was reading through this page and it reminded me of error1’s hack program in AE. IIRC, he hasn’t gotten down to tweaking Gouken yet. I’d like to see his version of Gouken. It’d probably be a bit out there though.
Would he incorporate the changes present in the AE 2013 Gouken request thread? Best way to see if the changes would break Gouken. Better still if someone had the skills/balls to mess around with their copy of AE on PC.
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I stand corrected.
He goes decidedly off the wall witn him though, especially with giving him a fly mode XD
Been okaying super to just say I miss old goalmouth…a lot of u would like denjin goalmouth…fulchg denjin to fpalmiuchhhhh…dangfuck android …any ways …been…been playing super.and I miss old fpalm sure was cool …Vega and a lot of heads dislike …
