lol, i love the new gouken so far!
denjin is fun (your regular palms just became ultra launchers near the corner and you always get denjin after ex palm, which sets up a winning mixup), better pokes (fs. hk is fucking beast! overhead rules!) and backthrow > ex fireball > whatever combos when you are in the corner!
the new gouken rules!
Back on my streak BABBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBY!!! Take it from me… not blocking will get you fucked up!!
Grrrrr bison and rog seem to give me even more trouble now.
did you try shooting them in the face?
Every chance I get when I’m not on the ground or in block stun heh
There’s a consensus around the forum that Bison and Balrog might be top 4 in the game and most definitely top tier. Their better pokes which were already good before makes it even tougher for Gouken now.
I was trying to figure it out for a while too, but no luck. I’d like to see what advantages people can come up with for Gouken against those two.
Fireballs off backtjrow are lovely
The Bison match hasn’t changed too much if you don’t take each characters new Ultras into account. Bison has a better way of stopping dive kicks with st.roundhouse, but at the same time will lose a bit more ground due to it having a more upwards arc, giving Gouken a little bit more to work with on the ground.
Fireballs are deniable once Bison gains meter to do Psycho Punisher, fullscreen punish. Will turn into a pure ground game only.
Cammy is a bitch. Hooligan combination is so annoying to deal with on wake up.
Cr.jab on wakeup. Works everytime.
I know what you mean though, can catch you out every now and then.
I must admit, I didn’t expect this “Gouken frustration thread” to be frustration about how poor Gouken is.
One simple reason being his backwards grab making just about any move unavoidable, and allowing him to do the full animation on his Ultra Combo, and never miss.
There is not one other character in the game that rewards with this level of ease. The amount of players with the potential to leave my jaw hitting the floor with the way they play, and their ability to combo.
Whereas my fights against Goukens are down to whether or not they get that grab in. Usually you can keep them at bay with a few crouching LK, but all they need is just to get one grab and I’m dead.
Cheap.
I hate how much recovery he has on backthrow now. I hate that I have to wait almost a full second before throwing out ultra and run the gambit of fucking it up. Yeah, it’s cool you can do fireballs and palms off of it, but when I just want to do ultra I really don’t enjoy getting the multi hit or just missing all together. I’d rather have the old timing and not be able to land a palm than be able to but fuck up my ultra every one time per match I land back throw.
Also Denjin still sucks. I didn’t think I would like it before the game came out and now that the game IS out I can officially say I still think it’s garbage for everything except saving meter.
Blah blah blah I don’t know how to tech well wahhhhh cry me a river. Seriously that’s your gripe? Getting hit with a back throw to ultra. A set up that can be avoided by teching or jumping away or even a jab or srk. Please. And you wanna talk about easy set ups balrog off on jab leads into ultra same with Ryu. Rufus has ridiculous set ups that all lead into full hit ultra. Sagat easy set ups. Do I have to go on? Do us all a favor and get your tech game up or keep eating back throw to shin Shoryuken.
While I don’t agree with the guy back throw into ultra is way the hell easier to pull off than Ryu and Balrog’s setups using jabs to hit confirm. Although Ryu’s j.mp and Rufus’s j.hk ultra setups are just about as easy to do as Gouken’s throw into ultra.
it is never about how easy execution wise, it is how easy to pull it off sucessfully in a real match.
Easy execution & hard to pull of: Gouken back throw
hard execution but relatively easier to pull of: SJC to ultras (viper and ibuki)
Easy execution & easy to pull of: Barlog jab to ultra, ryu hitting you with anything FADC (or corner) ultra, rufus staring at you -> ultra.
Gouken set up requires opponent to be dead close at -5 or they (somehow or online) fail to tech…
Viper and Ibuki can SJC their normal into ultras, or in viper case, SJ to burning kick to ultra all confirmed from ex sessimo. Difficult to execute but it can be done much more frequent than Gouken back throw.
The last group speaks for itself. Barlog jabs = ultra, ryu with 1 + corner or 2 meter or AA = ultra, rufus with ultra meter = ultra.
Gouken backthrow is a good once in a match gimmick or a -5 frame advantage punisher at dead close range, but it is as far as it can go.
Backthrow is a far better option now online just because of how screwed teching is. It’s ridiculous that the slower startup and wider tech window is the only thing that makes it balanced compared to other throws online.
you can land backthrow regardless of it being online or offline if you do it right, just by timing your throw to beat the short the oponnent does when trying to option select.
If you throw them during a move they can’t tech.
The new Gouken is so fun to me! I love backthrow into ex FB lol and Denjin is soooo cool with his secondary alt outfit. Raiden ftw! I’m no Raunwynn, but I try with gouken as hard as I can. 
And that’s all that matters. Gouken is very good, in 's up to us to learn the match ups and how we can best manage the old man. People complain about his wake up, but I don’t see it to be any different than a blocked srk attempt. Both will give up a max punish… so if you guess wrong you just guess wrong regardless of who you play with. The only difference that anyone could argue is that you can fadc the srk on wake up.
yeah and goukens other set ups are what 3 bars into a shin off of ex palm which you can only get off of a fierce punch. His tatsu which misses on half the cast and they can’t be crouching wtf? You’ll never land either of those off a jab or short string outside of doing a lone jab or lone cr.short xx tatsu. So his only other option is back throw which is another situational set up. They have to be on the ground they can’t tech it they have to be close. They can’t be in hit or block stun. So if its so powerful and effective and “cheap” as the one Guy said. How come you don’t see more goukens in tourneys and placing?