Future of Nintendo? Bright.. or Dark

General Discussion
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I don’t doubt at all that the PSP had great potential but the whole hacking thing is null since both systems were victims of being hacked. I have respect for the PSP since it’s the only system so far that’s been able to stand up to Nintendo’s handheld and do as well as it has. The numbers I posted for your remark of Nintendo needing a true powerhouse system and anyone who’s been following the industry knows that that isn’t the case.

Phone games won’t replace an actual handheld experience unless they actually place strategic buttons and analog on the phone to make it a better experience. I’m just most people didn’t go ‘ah shit I can’t wait to buy new phone to play Street Fighter 4 on it’. That port is sub par but it’ll do if I wasn’t serious into gaming and there’s a high chance that you’re serious into gaming you’re going to be less likely to even buy that port.

There’s a number of good 3rd party titles on the 3DS or are coming. Just because I don’t have them high up enough on my list to purchase doesn’t mean they aren’t good. Shinobi, Heroes of Ruin, Professor Layton, Theatrhythm Final Fantasy, Contra, Ninja Gaiden, Monster Hunter 4, and then there’s the host of other games that are remakes or ports that are still great like Cave Story and Street Fighter, Blazblue and then whatever else is going to be announced at E3 from the Western Devs. I’m looking at things in an objective manner and not just what appeals to me. Just because I don’t play CoD or Halo doesn’t mean I’m just going to ignore it and write it off. If none of those games that are out there appeal to you that’s cool, but there are other people who will buy it.

As for releasing the system early? Yeah I can see that but looking back from a business perspective…if they had tried to do what they did then and pushed it back to the holiday season then it probably wouldn’t have been able to gather as much steam as it has now. They got the system out a year before the Vita with minor complaints (I’m talking about hardware failure and the bottom screen scratching the top screen type stuff) and were able to see if 3rd parties were able to pick up the slack. Unfortunately a bunch of 3rd party games that were planned to come out either got pushed back or failed to live up to expectations…that isn’t Nintendo’s fault especially when they know they’ve had a problem with 3rd party support and are trying to fix it. Nintendo games are a double edged sword…if anything third party releases at the same time as their game then nobody pays attention to the 3rd party effort.

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Total bullshit. I see kids under 12* struggling* to make a selection in my store most of the time with Wii titles(and i have a fuck-tons of Wii shovelware from trade ins, as well as the Nintendo biggies), but shit their pants over the healthy line-ups of DS games they can take anywhere. Even better if it’s a DS Lite with GBA compatibility. If they do manage to spot a Wii version of COD/Need For Speed, Madden, they’re massively disappointed if they’ve ever wandered over to a friend’s house and played the beefier PS3/360 versions. Admittedly, the amount of influence COD/Open world/Duz it huv Zumbies?? genres have cast over this generation in the casual department makes it frustrating to sell anything else to gamers 25 and under, but try recommending Go Play Circus Star!, Movie Games Party Blockbusters, or Major Minor’s Majestic March-even 8 year kids look aren’t that stupid.

I think the Wii will likely wind up as one of the most unsatisfying systems ever because of it’s line up,* because* there’s so many of the damn things collecting dust on people’s entertainment centers. Nintendo can tout Wii System sales til the end of time, but I suspect gamers won’t look back on it too fondly. The Wii fails to satisfy the nostalgia trip most older Nintendo fans are looking for…I crank out sales on NES/SNES/N64 games simply on the memories people have of them, and they mostly have a solid selection. Out of curiosity and because of this thread, I’ve been asking my customers what they think of the Wii, and almost universally they say they bought one but hardly ever play it, largely because the they think the line-up blows, and that Nintendo’s titles don’t have the same level of quality as the previous gen’s entries. Satisfaction my ass.

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Not true. My wii library has about as much quality 3rd party than quality nintendo games. But whatever,

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Ok, so you tell me that Wii doesn’t have the games for a specific demographic then you list the games on Wii for that demographic?

What?

Does the Wii have bad games? Sure, every system does.

It’s funny because during the Gamecube era one of the big complaints is that it only had hardcore titles and didn’t sell enough systems. So Wii sells a shitton of systems and adds far more casual titles, now we complain about the opposite.

I’ve enjoyed my Wii - some of the best games I’ve played this generation are on Wii. Maybe because of that I am not looking to complain about it nor do I think the future for the Big N looks gloomy.

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Seriously? The “tried to be different” card? Because if so, you must really not know much about a little company called Nintendo.

Also I’m reasonably certain Bungie puts much more attention into a single Halo encounter than Nintendo did into the entirety of NSMBW. And many games Nintendo makes nowadays.

That free advice I offered last post? Consider it repeated.

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LOL. Both consoles were equally easy to pirate. The wii was the most successful console despite being BY FAR the easiest to pirate and had record software sales.

The piracy argument is a fucking joke, please don’t ever use it again as an excuse for why X console or X game sold terribly. The PSP would have done better if it wasn’t competing with the DS, if it wasn’t overpriced, if it didn’t hurt to play for extended periods of time and if dev costs weren’t so high.

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My issues with the 3DS are NUMEROUS.

Here are some:

The dpad position. Played Sonic Generations and Kirby Squeak Squad. Ouch.

There will be a “pro” or “lite” version. EASY.

3D is a fucking waste of time and money to develop for and overall hurts the quality of games. If they gave me the option to NEVER use 3D and get a performance boost, I’d take it. Tried playing Sonic for 2 minutes and I was like “oh fuck this”.

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tbh I feel a bit betrayed by nintendo - I grew up with them and now it feels like they are working to please a whole different type of gamer. I do think they’ll do well though. They’ve got a great casual niche.

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Make a new Valkyria Chronicles for the Wii U. Tablet is used for the overhead map and positioning of my units on the fly. You’ve got yourself a day 1 sale (both console and game).

Too bad Sega is retarded.

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…Or you’re a nintendo loyalist that does not mind limiting himself for their new system, or you also own another console to make up for its shortcomings. Something you’d kinda HAVE to do to get the most out of what this console generation has to offer.

If all a gamer had was Wii in this generation, their gaming selection was quite sheltered and missing out.

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If all a gamer had was a 360 in this generation, their gaming selection was quite sheltered and missing out.

Regardless of what console, if you only had one, your statement applies EVERYTIME

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I’m a gamer. I’ve owned every console from every generation since 8-bit. I have no specific loyalty except I like good games, which is why you need to have each console as no one company will have every great game on their system. Each system covers the “shortcomings” of another.

Perhaps you’re just a Nintendo hater? I can play that game too. So fun.

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Thats a cop-out argument if there ever was one. Basically implying that one has to have all 3 or else they are missing out. While its true no one system will have everything, the Wii ultimately has missed out on so much MORE than the other two to the point of absurdity.

In the following years that 360 & PS3 continue to be strong there will no doubt be many more great titles to add to the ever growing list, as the Wii continues its long shamble to the grave despite the lead it once had, with only a trickling of 1st party titles to keep its foot out(assuming they don’t save those for Wii-U).

Whatever, Nintendo better be ready to do whats required to bring back 3rd party interest. I don’t know the details on the Wii-U hardware, but it damn well better be something MODERN. There is no incentive for 3rd parties to bother with the headaches of developing for a technologically inferior system, when there are two great competitors on the market who actually have their stuff up to date.

Not a Nintendo hater. I have no brand loyalty, and only go with the system that has the most games.360 & PS3 were pretty evenly matched this gen, with 360 being the cheaper console, so thats what i went with(despite being a psx & ps2 gamer).

Since Wii was left out in the cold in a big way, it has not gotten a dime from me. Until Nintendo gets its act together, it never will, and will continue to lose respect from the gaming community the more it messes up.

This is not like the days of gamecube, where Nintendo had been decent up to that point so they got a, “Everybody makes mistakes” pass. After the terrible gamecube and now Wii, the community is finally starting to take notice that something is wrong with the way the company does things.

There will be no reason to bother with Wii-U either if it continues the trend of overreliance on gimmicks, shallow 3rd party support, and inferior tech thats impractical for developers to bother with, when there is healthy compeition on the market with hardware up to spec for the gaming on that generation for them to work on instead.

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I’m saying your argument is SHIT because if you only have one console, be it 360/PS3/Wii you’re missing out on A LOT OF GOOD GAMES.

Great competitors who have been making massive losses for ages now. I like your judgement skills.

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“Terrible Gamecube”? lol

Nope you’re not a hater.

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Played any western RPGs lately? Played any open world games lately? Spending much time on those Wii RTS games? Played any solid FPS games aside from the Conduit in the last 2 years? How’s SquareEnix’s lineup been lately? Shall I go on?

Every system has bad games, but every system doesn’t sell 90+ million units worldwide and still have one of the shittiest line ups around. This ain’t the Atari Jaguar where it didn’t sell worth shit and didn’t have shit to play. This thing sold like a juggernaut and has largely run out of games worth playing. How do you have a system with an estimated 90+ million units sold worldwide have such apathy from publishers that even when they do bother to do a title, it’s a half assed, low rent version of it? Let it’s market be dominated by complete garbage sold at such low price points that designing something with quality in mind is barely worth the effort.

The Gamecube wasn’t funny, the complaints were valid. Nintendo’s stance on keeping things family friendly when PS2 was going absolutely batshit off the PS1’s success(We don’t need or want GTA:rolleyes:), led to the Cube’s general failure(20 million Cubes vs what, 140 million PS2s?). Imagine where Nintendo would be if the Wii had it’s motion control phenomenon packed with the level of tech available to the PS3/360 out of the gate, getting this gen’s blockbusters at the same time, delivering the same level of visual quality, had an online system that was halfway better than the Wii’s. It’s too bad they weren’t paying attention, and still aren’t, since “gameplay comes first, not technology” line for the Wii-U is their defense for the Wii-U’s already perceived deficiencies. They failed to address developer concerns and needs regarding current technology, and rather than open a floodgate of lost developers returning to support them, they opened a septic tank and let the shit pour out.

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I thought that was pretty apparent even before he mouthbreathed that into his Dragon-software-equipped PC. :confused:

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I’ve seen this argument many times in their defense too, to which i say…

That is their decision. Otherwise, they have made the gaming community very happy with quality hardware and a wealth of excellent titles year after year. So as a Gamer, they got my support, wheither they’re turning a profit behind the scenes or not.

Why should i give a damn about Nintendo’s bottom line? That does not make the Wii’s selection any less painfully scant. They aren’t keeping me and many other gamers happy, by missing out on so much of this generations amazing 3rd party efforts.

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The fanwank here is well over…

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#1: The only good WRPGs this generation were made in Japan. What is your point?

#2: Open World Games are chock full of no game.

#3: Are you arguing for PCs?

#4: The last decent FPS was Ultimate Doom. The last semi-decent FPS was Halflife. You sound like a closet PC gamer.

#5: The last good non-handheld Final Fantasy was on a Nintendo system. So was the last handheld one.

And?

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