I do think playing Blu-Ray movies is a marketing gimmick because Blu-Ray movies aren’t related to video games. This doesn’t mean I think playing blu ray movies on my console is a bad thing it just means it’s unneeded for gaming.
Also Optical Media or any kinda storage media doesn’t have to be tied to anything other than games. Look at the GC, the Wii and now the Wiiu which uses a blu-ray level storage capacity while not being a blu ray disc. What made Optical Media like the CD and DVD good for gaming was not because of its ability to play your justin beiber album and watch titanic on your console it was because of those things were cheap to produce compared to cartridges. That change this gen with blu rays though.
*Forcing developers into a new controller just for the sake of being different is *what does this even mean? No body was forced to do so. What kinda anti progress thinking is this?
There are many issues with this post. Being able to play Blu-Ray discs isn’t a marketing gimmick. I bought a Blu-Ray player long before I bought my PS3. I’ve never used my PS3 to watch a single movie, ever. The fact is, sony had used the Blu-Ray technology to store games, and it certainly has the power to play HD movies, so they included it. It would be more of a marketing ploy if they didn’t include Blu-Ray support, as then you would have to buy a standalone Blu-Ray unit, and Sony makes quite a bit of those. You would have created a need for another unit that could have already been covered. Using your resources available to you actually makes sense, Sony owns the rights to the Blu-Ray technology, they may as well use it if they had to spend some extra dough to make and use this new tech over a DVD.
If you’re buying a PS3 as a Blu-Ray player, you are doing it all wrong anyway, as you can walk into electronics store with it’s salt and there will be a Blu-Ray player on the sales rack for $99.
As fir the Wii, gamecube, and Wii U, they are pretty much the same tech. There’s a reason why you can burn a wii game on a DVD and play it if it’s homebrew enabled. It is a very similar filesystem and disc format, it’s merely a “We’re Nintendo and don’t feel like paying to license the DVD name and tech.” Why? That money goes back to Sony, a major competitor. Sony used the CD, DVD, and Blu-Ray in their consoles because they helped develop it and so it belongs to them, using any other technology or wasting money on R and D to make a new one just for their new console is anything short of ignorance when they don’t need to license it. Sony doesn’t only make games, they do a whole lot more, and because they have more resources to work with, they are able to do it. The CD and DVD are good for gaming because Sony has a stake in the tech.
I’d love to know what dictionary you use, as this is the intended meaning in this context, as taken from Dictionary.com: Gimmick, v. to equip or embellish with unnecessary features, especially in order to increase salability, acceptance, etc.
Yeah, you read that right. To equip or embellish with unnecessary features. Seems to be the intended definition he is trying to use. Motion control is used in everything when it doesn’t have to be. You could be playing the most basic of 2d platformers, and you’ve still got to waggle the wiimote for something. Mario Galaxy? You have to shake the wii remote to spin. I could just as easily play mario galaxy with a gamecube or classic controller. It isn’t necessary, it’s used as a gimmick for sure. There’s a reason why you cannot navigate the wii menu with a gamecube controller(although interestingly enough you can use the classic controller just fine). It isn’t necessary and is thrown into every first party game for the heck of it, and in most games, you can’t opt out of it. Would it have really hurt if I could plug a gamecube controller into my wii and play Twilight Princess with it? It was already made for the gamecube, it should have been easy enough, but it was disabled because it wasn’t what nintendo had wanted you to do with the wii. They want to make you use the motion controls, which were poor in a lot of games because the tech was lacking.
However, there also was a marketing gimmick, your kids could play games and be active at the same time. That’s a pretty big deal for a lot of parents who do not want their kids sitting around all day as they would on a PS3 or Xbox. Seems to fit your definition that was supposedly used out of context.
I’m not saying the wii was a bad console per say, there were some excellent games, but it could have been better if they ramped up the tech a bit more and had allowed for some other options to be used for control.
I give up. I’ll post in this thread again when E3 rolls around but now were just arguing semantics (although I’m partly to blame) and making circles around each others posts and it’s getting annoying for anyone who has to read it. I will say I’m standing by what I said 100% and I do not believe any you who responded to my posts on the matter of what a Gimmick is truly understands what I actually typed nor made a convincing argument otherwise. The fact that someone went and looked up a definition to the word that suits his own position when I brought in 5 is testament to this.
Just what the Wii-U needs. A proprietary format which stores 25GB less than a dual layer BD. :tdown:
(edit: Oh wait, maybe it’ll actually be able to work up to 75GB. Nice!)
Hilarious note: Nintendo stopped shipping Wii consoles with DVD capable drives a while back to combat piracy. Well, technically it’s still a DVD drive, but you can’t use a standard DVD to burn stuff anymore.
Because nintendo can’t make a dual layered version of their own proprietary format.
Also every console manufacturer has done something similar to that to combat piracy. Sony removed ps2 compatibility and Linux from their ps3s to combat piracy, the new xbox comes with a completely different DVD drive.
Man, Xbox … has like 6 different DVD drives now. They never removed functionality though to be fair. The PS3 removing Linux was definitely some bullshit…not really bagging on Nintendo alone. Forcing you to sign an agreement not to sue is some bull as well.
I personally think that the gimmicks, when done right, are boss.
The DS brought a lot of things that would have never existed around just becuase of the DS.
Combat in THE WORLD ENDS WITH YOU was boss because I controlled two characters in two completly different ways on two completly different screen.
Just like how a community dictates how long a game will be played, I think third party developers will decide how good the WiiU will become.
If we get a Valkyra Chronicles where I can command my troops on the little screen, it’ll be boss, if there Monster Hunter where I can can see all my items, objectives, other shit while I play on the big screen, it’ll be boss, if there is a Pheonix Wright where I can see all of my evidence and motivations for committing the crime while the case goes on on the big screen, it will be boss.
I think the Wii did it right, who cares how graphically intense a game is when a game is down right original, even if it is a gimmick.
You brought in five examples that weren’t applicable to the conversation.
CONTEXT, mother fucker. Look that shit up.
And of course you don’t feel like anybody made a good argument, because you don’t want to be wrong. Extreme Yoshi fan was right he knew what I was talking about and so did you, but you didn’t want to be wrong. Just because you don’t want the definition he and I used to be the correct one, it still is. Instead of going “oh, you know what, you’re right.” you came up with shit like “: a mechanical device for secretly and dishonestly controlling gambling apparatus”
Before that you said the bluray was a gimmick. And then you have the audacity to act like we’re all stupid because YOU don’t know the definition of “gimmick”?
Extreme Yoshi said the exact thing you said so I see no reason to refute any of it especially since this discussion isn’t about how well any of us can use a dictionary. I’m acting like you guys are wrong because I feel you are. You and Yoshi are saying the Wii controller is a gimmick while using the word negatively while it’s actually neutral. I refuted you by saying it isn’t because it enhances my gaming experience and called your reasoning as to why reactionary. I made the claim that the blu ray player in the PS3 is a gimmick since it has nothing to do with gaming you and him go on about optical media and make the same arguments you have been refuting in this thread from people who don’t think the Wii controller is a gimmick.
This is all nonsense. No one is going to win because the parties involved hold their own meanings to what the Gimmick is. I will say so what? If my Ps3 can play Blu Ray movies I don’t care but if it’s something the jacks up its price I can most definitely do with out it. In the case of the wii controller if it enhances my gaming experience I see no reason to not embrace it. If you want to talk about what’s needed then a lot of these things are all unneeded but what is needed is progress. The purpose of games is to have fun but sometimes a society’s definition of fun changes or what we currently have starts to stagnate. I welcome forward thinking like the Wii and Wiiu controllers which has tried and is trying to reinvent how we have fun with gaming. If you didn’t enjoy the Wii controller that’s an entirely different issue all together but it’s one that has nothing to do with the original purpose of this thread and you can’t say something is a gimmick because you yourself didn’t prefer it. The wii controller definitely isn’t perfect especially considering the technology is about 11 years old for Nintendo but its certainly shook things up and move gaming into different directions instead of the “double our specs” path we undertook before.
I also read that Epic was lobbying for the Ps4 and Nextbox to have more ram.
… he did. Thing is he provides reason as to why the gimmick isn’t as bad since there are better options for gameplay while the Wii solely relies on waggle.
