I think Nintendo is going to end up in a worse position than they did last go-round. The Wii was basically the Backstreet Boys of consoles; it was built on a gimmick, and sold because of it. The only difference is the Wii had a few pieces of good software. The Backstreet Boys had no good songs. But both sold like hotcakes.
I think the technology issue is finally going to catch up to Nintendo as well. They’ve really played it safe the last few years, and while they sold a lot of consoles, 3rd party developers finally stopped fucking with them. Even Reggie was saying they needed more powerful hardware so they can get better third party titles. The Wii U is a step in the right direction from a hardware perspective, but it’s about 6 years too late. I think it will start up well, and then fizzle just as the Wii has.
On the handheld front, I think Nintendo will never have a repeat of the DS. There’s too much competition now with things like cell phones, the iPhone etc that take up mind share when it comes to portable gaming. With that said, I think the 3DS will still do well, but we’ll never see another 170 million selling console like the DS.
I don’t think Nintendo will ever get back to the days of the NES and the SNES and that’s a shame. I’d much rather have a stacked Nintendo console than one by Sony or MS.
The word gimmick is a neutral word that people tend to give a negative connotation. If the Wii mote is a “gimmick” what does that make a Blu-ray player built into a video game console?
It’s a gimmick in the same way that the Kinect and the Move are gimmicks; there are much better control options available, but the difference with the Wii is that most games simply didn’t give you the option to use a regular controller. Further, the Wii is built entirely around the motion control gimmick because the Wii didn’t really push the ball forward in any real way. It’s a Gamecube with more ram. The only thing new it brought to the table from the previous generation in terms of hardware was it’s controller, which is a gimmick.
Sony and MS scrambled to copy the motion control bullshit, and both their efforts suck. The only difference is with stuff like Kinect, most of the stuff you can do with it is optional. Not so with the Wii. You gotta shake the shit out of that Wiimote to hit shit in Zelda, Mario Galaxy, etc.
A bluray isn’t a gimmick. It’s a storage medium. If a system with a bluray drive also plays movies, that’s a bonus. The Wii could have done this and didn’t. The bluray player being there doesn’t detract from the gaming experience at all, and it isn’t forced on people. If you don’t want to buy a bluray movie, it’s not like three buttons will be disabled on the console. There’s no discernible difference in the gameplay experience of a console with a dvd player or with a bluray player, besides load times. That’s a really poor comparison.
Playing Blu-ray movies has next to nothing to do with video games. On the contrary the Wiimote is a controller which has everything yo do with playing games.
I’m saying you’re miss using gimmick and arguing that the wii mote isn’t a “gimmick” in the sense you’re talking about compared to something like a Blu Ray player which is.
Really too bad the Ignore function doesn’t apply to Tapatalk as I see Bojack is still peddling idiocy like it’s going out of style. Though since I saw said posts as I scrolled down:
At no point did I say anything was bad because it didn’t conform to preference. That little nugget of stupidity came from you, and after I politely advised you that it made you look like a simpleton, you pulled that shit again. Hence: you’re an idiot.
Infinite makes a good point: this has veered way off topic. Apologies for my part in that. Back on topic:
The Wii U will likely do fine. Wii is a household name now, amongst both gamers and non-gamers. The 3DS’s fate is a tad less clear: both its botched launch and the popularity of smartphone and tablet gaming – including some really good games, by the way – means stiff competition.
Mah dude, having your console get an increase in storage capacity means you can include more things in your game. This is a good thing. This is why the jump to CD was such a big deal. You will recall the small discussion on N64 staying with cartridges and PSX going to cd and how it affected FF7.
Having your control tilt to move shit or dividing it in two so you can use a NES Zapper to move shit around is…welll, you get the general idea.
I would add some fancy stuff but this thread is going Skull Retard.
It’s most definitely a gimmick when you change the way people have been controlling games for the last 20 years, and arguably for the worse. It’s imprecise at best, and down right fucktarded at worse. It’s shoehorned into most games. Even a lot of early Nintendo Wii games seemed to have waggle as an afterthought. It wasn’t until Skyward Sword that the motion control shit actually looked like it had potential. So Nintendo wasted, what? 5 years to finally get motion controls beyond just whipping your wrist around to have you attack something?
Yeah, sorry, that’s a gimmick. And it’s one the entire system was built around. One that most developers couldn’t get a hold on, given the amount of shovel ware out there.
The comparison you made was, frankly, ridiculous. Comparing optical media, or the ability to play movies, which in no way impacts the game, calling that a gimmick is stupid. Optical media was a boon to the industry, not a gimmick. Optical media is what made the N64 fail in comparison to the PSX.
Building a system based on last gen hardware and shoving a motion sensor controller into the mix is a gimmick. The classic controller would make most games more playable and easier to control. Having motion controls made games like Twilight Princess feel like a hot ass mess. And you weren’t given any other options for controllers but the Wii Mote. It’s a gimmick.
So people don’t see the Wiimote and other motion sensitive controls as interesting new concepts that allow for new gaming possibilities? I’d say with the Wiimote Nintendo pushed a different ball faaaaaar further (farther?) than MS or Sony. I mean what did 360 or PS3 really bring to the table that isn’t basically Xbox1 or PS2 on 'roids?
I mean, look at the standard 360 pad. It has two sticks with clicks, a d pad, 4 buttons, two analog triggers, two shoulder buttons, start/back/XBox button and that’s it unless you plug something else in, it’s basically the Dual Shock fucked a Dreamcast controller and had a kid and that’s it, very little new to the table. There are many things the Wiimote can do naturally and easily that would require several button combinations to recreate on a 360 pad. So since it was mis-implemented or under utilized it’s labled a gimmick? I can see the Wiiboard being called a gimmick because it doesn’t really do much aside from relay 4 pressure sensor’s data to the Wii instead of the myriad of things the Wiimote can do.
So if one could say “fuck it, I’ll do this on a regular pad” then… the Wii wouldn’t be a gimmick?
Also, figure I’ll chime in and say that Blu-Ray is not a gimmick. Marketing gimmick maybe but not a game playing one.
Your entire argument(s) hinges on the fact that Wii controls don’t conform to your preference. And then instead of actually debating me or explaining anything to me you degrade to insults rather quickly. Even worse is that since I don’t match your preconceived hard core group think you deign to engage in intelligent discussion. So good jorb there cap’n.
Through a very fast google search here are the following definitions I found for the word:
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[]a : a mechanical device for secretly and dishonestly controlling gambling apparatus
[]b : an ingenious or novel mechanical device : gadget
[]a : an important feature that is not immediately apparent : catch
[]b : an ingenious and usually new scheme or angle
[*]c : a trick or device used to attract business or attention <a marketing gimmick>
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Now lets see which of the following applies to the Wiimote in question.
*a mechanical device for secretly and dishonestly controlling gambling apparatus *doesn’t seem like it applies here.
*an ingenious or novel mechanical device *one can certainly make the argument here for it
*an important feature that is not immediately apparent *It was made clear that you will be using the Wiimote to operate the wii. Not a hidden catch of any sort.
*an ingenious and usually new scheme or angle *Definitely applies.
*a trick or device used to attract business or attention <a marketing gimmick> *This seems like the definition you are trying to use except you are wrong. It is no need a marketing gimmick because it doesn’t exists for the sole purpose of marketing the game. It used to fulfill the primary function of a console which is to play games. I made the argument that playing Blu ray is a marketing gimmick because it has nothing to do with the primary function of a video game console which is to play games you go on and miss this point most likely due to your misunderstanding of the word. Optical Media has nothing to do with playing movies btw.
…Actually it’s the complete opposite, PS3 has more exclusives then wii and especially 360 by far and most of them are pretty good. Anyways to plant my flag on the issue wii has give or take 20 good games which is just barely enough quality for me to be only slightly disappointed with their casual direction rather then super heated about it the way most of you are. There is a silver lining in that Nintendo is well aware of their failure to communicate with 3rd parties (developers first heard about wii motion plus at E3:rofl:) and their shitty online service and have stepped it up with 3DS and it will only get better with WiiU which I think will have regular friends list no more shitty codes.
The main reason I’m not really as upset with Nintendo’s casual direction on console is because all the problems people have with wii are nonexistent on DS. Nintendo has done everything besides friend codes perfectly with DS in that the touch controls are optional and there is plenty of core 3rd party support and even better is that 3DS is continuing the trend with no signs of slowing down:tup:
Shoutouts to wiimote sucking dick and classic controller being GDLK.
You’re misunderstanding me. Storing video games on a disc has nothing to do with the console being able to play other content available on said disc. We could all be using Solid State Drives in the future to store our games. Holy shit.
SSD would be pretty tight. But it still stands that increasing the content which developers can deliver is not a gimmick. Forcing developers into a new controller just for the sake of being different is.
On the plus side the shitty memory on the PS3 undermines it more than the Wii controller does the Wii.
This thread got me more hyped for E3 than the E3 thread.
I think the tablet will be less gimmicky than the motion controls were. I do in fact want to look down to access my inventory and map instead of pushing a button and having it pause the game (no sarcasm).
Those are US-only sells comparisons according to the article. Not sure about sells in Japan…but it does have a Monster Hunter game so it should be good .
…Actually it’s the complete opposite, PS3 has more exclusives then wii and especially 360 by far and most of them are pretty good. Anyways to plant my flag on the issue wii has give or take 20 good games which is just barely enough quality for me to be only slightly disappointed with their casual direction rather then super heated about it the way most of you are. There is a silver lining in that Nintendo is well aware of their failure to communicate with 3rd parties (developers first heard about wii motion plus at E3:rofl:) and their shitty online service and have stepped it up with 3DS and it will only get better with WiiU which I think will have regular friends list no more shitty codes.
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