Who gets to define quality?
/Karl Marx.
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McDonald’s is the best restaurant in the world. World of Warcraft is the world’s greatest game. Titanic totally isn’t a fanfiction-grade love story set against a historical strategy as a stunt. On that topic, James Cameron’s Avatar is totally better than Nickelodeon’s.
Nintendo’s future is pretty bright I am a big fan of nintendo because they lack games but there sales are really good so they will be around for a long time also I am not sure if I wanna buy the wii u after buying the wii and only playing it for zelda,but we will see at e3 what they have
All I gotta say is that as long as Nintendo keeps making Mario/Zelda/Pokemon, they’ll be just fine.
And people like me will buy every single one of them because we’re suckers for nostalgia.
Say what you will about rehashing the same stuff, but every game that Nintendo releases is high quality, and ridiculously fun to play. Disagree if you want but that’s my stand on it.
Though honestly, as a diehard Nintendo fan I really can’t pick a favorite console this gen. Wii, 360, PS3…they all have good games. They all have their benefits/downsides. Wii may be lacking in hardware but I think it more than makes up for it with fun games that groups of people can play and just have a good time with. I believe that the 360 and the PS3 are great systems with great games, but I think they’re more meant for solo gaming rather than playing with friends (that’s just my opinion; I know that there are some multiplayer games for them, but outside of maybe Kinect for the Xbox I don’t think they focus on multiplayer unless it’s online).
That said, so far I’ve clocked in more time on my 3DS than any console that I’ve ever played…ever. The games for it are just so fun and addicting…it’s like something clicked at Nintendo and every game that I’ve bought for the system has been really fun. Every game that I’ve gotten for the system has been played for 40+ hours total (except for Sonic Generations, which was fun but I found it to be a bit too short and the missions weren’t good enough to keep me coming back), with Super Street Fighter IV 3D edition leading with 340 hours total and Ocarina of Time 3D coming in second with 126.
And with how much I’ve been playing Kid Icarus Uprising I’m pretty sure I’ll be clocking in almost 100 hours played soon.
Which brings me back to my first point; as long as Nintendo keeps making excellent games like this I can’t see their future as anything but bright.
#1 McDonald’s is not food. It is slow-working eugenics.
#2 World of Warcraft is not a game. It is Facebook for closet-gay morbidly obese dudes who are into vicarious cross-dressing. Whose favorite color is purple.
#3 Titanic is the greatest Oscar snub trolling of all time.
#4 Of course. Fern Gully > Captain Planet.
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ya cause you know you just missed the point. The point is how can a company be doing bad if its making a shit ton of money?
Thats like saying microsoft and sony shouldnt exist cause they have too much money
There is a lot of cognitive dissonance when people are informed something they have a low critical opinion of makes a boat load of cash. It’s this way about many things in many industries.
Funny thing about WoW is that my friend got a girl that he bangs when he travels. Mind = blown when I found out how he met her.
Microsoft in the 90’s was more or less the poster child for evil corporation; they bullied plenty of people out of the software market. People who bought the x-box deserve whatever assfucking they get for not paying attention to them as a company. Sony is functionally retarded like most of the posters here are functionally illiterate: they admit to making hardware to last no more than 4-5 years. So…yeah. If we weren’t fucked by the oligarchy that is console gaming, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
The fun one is that Nintendo used to censor the hell out of games in the 90’s; but nobody bothers to remember that they were more or less shady as all fuck too.
I give up; this thread sucks. The WiiU’s problem is that instead of focusing on really solid gaming, it is focusing on a gimmick more obtuse than waggle. Waggle was a good idea for most arcade style games; for stuff that attracts the rest of the people it was ass. Nintendo needs to stop relying no gimmicks. If they put out an actual powerful console with really good dev tools, it would win the next console war solely on its exclusive. Then the devs would be happy because they don’t have to do 9879087908789 of carnival games and get forced into stupid shit.
well obviously nintendo isnt going to go out of business any time soon
Do we have proof that Nintendo requires developers to use waggle in the games they make? If not then saying Nintendo relies on “gimmicks” is a falsehood. Otherwise waggle is simply another button or trigger that could be used for this or that. Same with the WiiU screen. Some devs will “get it” and make something fun out of it, others won’t.
Nintendo is in a very different position than Sony or MS. Although a brief search of financial data suggests that Nintendo has a stronger market cap than Sony, they do not have other shit to bolster their game division to sell and market at great loss. So they behave differently. Their future will likely be fine. They do make some questionable decisions and have done some dumb shit in the past. All companies do after a while. But people saying they should get out of the console biz is ludicrous.
If you’re a sucker for nostalgia, play Nintendo’s much more solid NES and SNES titles. Or their solid N64 and GC titles. It’s not nostalgic to buy, say, a shitty 2D Mario like anything with “New Super Mario Bros.” in the title just because they’re spiritual successors to the vastly superior Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario World.
“Every game that Nintendo releases is high qualify, and ridiculously fun to play” is delusional at best. This wasn’t true even in their 8-/16-bit glory days.
I normally don’t make a habit of responding to purposely obtuse posts like this, but I get the feeling their are enough people on the fence about Nintendo that it warrants refuting.
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Wrong. McDonald’s is food and a restaurant. And financially successful. Wildly so. Using them to counter an argument about financial success trumping quality is wholly valid.
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Wrong. World of Warcraft is a game, and a valid comparison for the same reason as McDonald’s.
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Yes, which is the entire point.
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Don’t be dumb.
I feel your pain.
Nintendo forced a lot of the developers into using the second screen in the DS. For the most part waggle is a funky control but at least one that works just as well for right handed and left handed people. Waggle is mostly “hey that’s neat…” afterwards you want a regular controller. In all honesty most of the motion sensing stuff sucks ass for gaming because: 1) it is not as precise as a standard controller, 2) it creates an additional physical barrier for some gamers. One good thing about the waggle is that it let old people homes enjoy some of the physical activities they couldn’t do anymore with WiiSports.
Waggle is a mixed bag in all honesty. It was a necessary step in experimentation and I am not going to take that away from Nintendo. On the other hand it could very well be that had it not been for the underwhelming hardware powering it, we may have lived in a future where Street Fighter has a whole lot of waggle.
Yeah, Sega which was NEVER in as good a financial position as Nintendo is limped along from like 95 to 2002 or so before throwing in the console towel so Nintendo would have to bomb and BADLY bomb perhaps 2 or 3 home consoles straight before they needed to make a decision like that. Their handheld division would also have to tank too. Nintendo is MUCH stronger than people think they are. Yes, they’re hurting now from 3ds not selling as well as anticipated and the Wii has run out steam so they posted a pretty bad quarter. Until the recent recession hit they were a money making mad house until the recession hit. If WiiU bombs like whoa then we can worry.
I have played, and still own, those NES and SNES titles. And the N64 and GC titles. I’m a sucker for nostalgia but I have played the best.
Delusional or not, every Nintendo title that I have purchased ever since the N64 has been extremely fun, and I still play them even to this day. The older titles may be “better” but I still really enjoy playing the newer titles. And in the end, I think that’s what matters. Not if the title is “better” than the original (which generally is subjective anyway), but whether it’s enjoyable to play or not.
I’m not saying that all of Nintendo’s titles are perfect, because they’re not (Super Mario 3D Land was too easy, Super Mario Galaxy felt too linear, some aspects of Skyward Sword felt repetitive), but all of the Nintendo titles that I’ve played are excellent. I do, however, think that Nintendo needs to learn a thing or two in regards to online from its competitors, which it sounds like it’s doing with the Wii U (though a lot of that is just rumors and we probably won’t know anything solid until E3).
sega didnt know how to market. Sega sticked to really bad ideas, Sega also kept making their games worse and worse. Now sega cant even make good games like they did like in the gensis days. Nintendo keeps making games good, and knows how to market. I wish Sega would make a new console, but doubt they would bring back games people want to play like Streets of Rage, and VectorMan
Sega made extremely bad decisions internally and put consoles out at the wrong time…almost every time.
You’re thinking about Sonic Team when it comes to games, by the way. Most of their games have just been…shit…lately. Sega usually doesn’t have much to do with development. But it’s not like all the games they attach their name to are bad (Bayonetta, Generations…probably more…)
I personally enjoyed the Wii’s software lineup; it was home to some of the best games released this generation. We had the impressive offerings from Nintendo as usual such as Mario Galaxy 1&2, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Xenoblade, Sin and Punishment: Star Successor and a few others. We also had solid third party offerings which people often seem to ignore like Monster Hunter Tri a game a put +300 hours into, Zak and Wiki which is one of my favorites criminally overlooked, the No More Heroes series which is the staple action titles for the console, Muramasa the Demon Blade and a couple of others. I also enjoyed the” casual” titles like Rhythm Heaven Wii and Just Dance, playing those games with girlfriends and family members who don’t normally play games is really fun. The only thing I wanted more on the Wii was JRPGs. The only noteworthy ones were Xenoblade and the Last Story and while both was brilliant one left a lot of unfulfilled potential due to poor execution.
As for Nintendo’s future, they made a lot of good decisions this generation which kept them ahead of their competitors for a long time until now where the xbox360 is outselling everything. This is the main reason why the Wiiu is being rolled out before the Ps4 and Nextbox; the console isn’t as impressive to consumers as it was 2 or 3 years ago and that’s mostly due because of the price drops the competition made and their “wiitoo” peripherals. Why buy a Wii when you can buy superior consoles hardware wise for the same price? I think the Wiiu would do fine as long as Nintendo creates a good online infrastructure. The dudebro shooter was the bread and butter of last generation and Nintendo missed out on most of it because of poor online infrastructure and an under powered console. Nintendo has the specs now with the Wiiu all they need is the online infrastructure or else were going to have another gen where Nintendo misses out on 3rd party titles. They are allowing 3rd parties to run their own online infrastructure on the Wii which is fine unless we can have uniform gaming ids. I also hear rumors of steam coming to the console.
The 3DS after a rocky start has finally picked up some steam. The console is on pace to outsell the original DS which is the most successful console ever. Software is finally picking up for it too. However I want to see how Nintendo addresses the threat of ios and android gaming and the free app specifically in the west where it is actually a threat. The 3DS is bound to do well in Japan but in the west it hasn’t gotten that market stranglehold the DS and Wii had together. Maybe when New Super Mario Bros 2 is release things would change.
While I agree with that statement this is never true for any game making company ever.
Addressing your points bullet style!!! Fuck YEAH!
- Nintendo forcing touch screen or waggle was/is a bad idea given how badly some developers implemented them. Hopefully they don’t force WiiU shit.
- Depending on what’s being done there are many instances where I DO NOT want a regular controller ever again. Resident Evil 4 comes to mind.
- Wiimotion plus is more precise and future motion sensing will only get better.
- By nature requiring hands, fingers, or feet to play any game can create additional barriers. This would be an argument against allowing greater controller options but in some instances it may be unavoidable to have waggle/aimable controls depending on the application.
5 Wiisports waggle actually allows one to more accurately create certain games such as bowling. This is why waggle in concept is excellent and developers have dropped the ball on it. - Underwhelming hardware… yeah I guess. I still see this as more of a developer issue. I don’t see a whole lot of things out there that NEED stronger hardware. It’s nice to have but not really required for good games. Obviously the developer industry is punishing them for this and while stronger hard ware would have been nice it would have basically been Nintendo going in against two Sicillians when death was on the line. They found a way to repackage older and simpler hardware to sell at good profit because they aren’t in a position to absorb long term loss on games like Sony or MS. All the while laying the foundation for Kinect or Playstation Move. I do need to research WiiU more before I comment too much on it tho. All in all I think the Wii was an excellent and bold move that worked out well for Nintendo.
What does that even mean?
Motion controls aren’t inherently wrong, but where they’re forced in cases where they could have been one of multiple options, there’s eyebrows to be raised.
As I mentioned prior, including in this thread, for as shitty as Super Smash Bros. Brawl is – and it is a shitty fucking game not deserving of one iota of its praise – it gives you control options. Like the Wiimote/Nunchuk? Use it! Like the GC controller? Use it!
Admittedly some games couldn’t do this without significant redesign and/or because they actually use motion controls so well as to be a damn shame to experience a game without them. Mario Galaxy and its sequel is one. That WarioWare game is another. Kid Icarus: Uprising SHOULD have been one.
But many didn’t require mandatory motion controls, but incorporated them anyway. Metroid Prime 3. Twilight Princess. Tales of Symphonia 2. I could have played any of these games with a GC controller, a Classic Controller (+), a keyboard and mouse plugged into the system’s USB port, etc. But that option wasn’t there, for no good reason other than to push a gimmick.
See also: forced stylus-only games that didn’t need to be stylus-only.
Responses about the supposed benefit of forced motion/stylus controls in games where options are possible aren’t going to be answered on account that all of them are going to be dumb.
I’m totally okay with liking the things you like, even if those things aren’t all that good. I love Castlevania: Harmony of Despair and Dynasty Warriors: Gundam. What I’m not okay with, and what I perhaps didn’t make entirely clear in my last post, is blind love for these things because they resemble other, better things or because of a brand name.
Maybe you see “Nintendo” and think “quality” without good reason, maybe you don’t, but when I read your post I felt the need to comment on it.