Then the Javeline will ground bounce them because Crumple is an airborne state.
Derrrrr. My mistake XD.
Definitely upsetting that Spencer is the only option for that.
Yeah. Believe it or not, I’m not the hugest Spencer fan (he’s middle of my hype list), but he offers too much to nova.
Also, Spencer/Trish is pretty solid. If you assist and tether, you can command grab before low voltage strike. Low voltage is okay with Nova, but its not amazing.
Pekaboo is my assist of choice.
Yeah, I’ve used Nova/Trish more than any other characters in Ultimate. I’ve tried others but I keep coming back to this, my problem is finding a satisfactory 3rd. They do have some great synergy though, both can relatively safely transfer to each other, round harvest works great with javelin, and peekaboo grants great resets, and if the enemy team don’t have the team to counter it the trap/gravimetic/javelin/ranged assist gameplay is rediculous.
But it’s just that, given the tools Nova has and the ability to cause so many different states, the synergy of this guy with other chars is rediculous and he should really not only have his combos extended by many chars but I would bet he could extend combos for many of them too if played in that role. We’ve already mentioned Spencer and Trish, but I could see him having some crazy tricks with a lot of people on the cast. He can also push to corners and somewhat control space nicely so I would bet some characters like Modok, Ammy, and RR could be tricky as hell w/ him.
I’m not sure what you mean by can not be escaped? Once they are caught in the combo, it forces them to tech, and then you can follow it up with a mixup, correct?
If so, that’s very similar to the Peekaboo reset. If you have not tried it yet, you do the combo the same way, but instead of Spencer assist do Trish assist. Instead of functioning how it normally does, the Peekaboo will instantly reset them in an air recovery, exactly where you want them. You can drop the assist a bit earlier for a faster recovery time for your other assist, or you can use it after you do 6H similar to Spencer and catch them with a later timing (making it a bit harder to avoid). Once they are reset you can quickly go up for an air throw, or do any of the other mixup options I listed in the last post.
You don’t get the last nova strike in so it’s slightly less damage, but you are provided with more options for the mixup in return.
I know, but Low Voltage probably works better on a Nova/Spencer/Trish Combo. It’s actually a pretty undervalued assist.
Oh. I didn’t know we were talking about that specific pairing. The sad thing is, Pekaboo is what sells Trish for me. Not just Round Harvest and her as a character.
As you’ve seen in my video, Pekaboo forces an immediate recovery, so it’s very similar to your Javelin glitch. EDIT: and it’s very sudden and visually jerking IMO. People forget that visuals actually affect a lot of players (even better ones)
I just tried it, it’s highly escapable. You’re reset can be teched in three different ways and OS’d. It’s the reason you don’t see many players use Trish peakaboo alot resets at a high level.
You can’t cover all three options at once and if you take anti-OS countermeasures you open yourself up to just blind disrespect.
It’s exatly what I described most peoples “resets” as being. You can guess your way out of the reset entirely, and since your in the air, you can OS the initial mixup effectieve making it a 1st generation mixup rather than the second gen mixup that you want it to be.
The Javelin Glitch is unescapable, you can’t reliable OS the first hit but because of the setup allows tri-jump high low in addition to all Nova’s other options.
In short, the Trish Reset is a reset sure, but it’s the weakest kind of reset, the Javelin Glitch is arguably the best reset in the game that doesn’t cross the line into being an outright trap (Spencer, SpiderMan, Firebrand, and Viper have a straight up traps for example).
Also, I have more Spencer tricks yet.
The reason Javelin glitch is so good is because it can only be teched one way (it forces it), I can tech 3 ways from the Trish one, and since I’m airborne I can OS-AG/AD and pretty much end it for free.
All super true stuff.
The only thing I can say is that resets before the Javelin glitch have functioned this way and thrived, and I can only hope mine will XD.
Well, resets never really thrived in Vanilla at all, but that was largely because of how broken Vanilla was.
The peakaboo reset does have advantages.
1)Surprise. You can’t rely on surprise all the time, but you can certainly exploit it.
2)HSD. Since the untech time on Peakaboo scales, it can be difficult to OS against the following mixup properly.
You also get the Round Harvest THC which is neat, but Nova really can’t abuse it very well.
Like I said, I do agree with the sentiment that if we focus too much one Nova/Sencer we might neglect other tech. But when the question is put to me “what is best” or “what would make my team better” then I have to give the answer that is most right. If people say stuff like, “but peakaboo is my favorite (no offense intended)” or “Spencer isn’t my style” then you really didn’t care about the answer to your question in the first place.
They thrived for Viscant and a few other players, but I get your point.
Nova does have the over head assist that can help another character create unblockables with Round Harvest, and it also is a good DHC after Nova Force. There are other supers of course, but this one allows for a lot.
Actually, that’s a good point. You could play Trish on point, and use the old Round Harvest unblock setups.
Combo>Round Harvest>Tag character X>Attack Low while calling Nova High assist. L
I spoke poorly, I wasn’t trying to hate on Peakboo assist with Nova (or your team), I was just pointing out the logical falacy. On a Nova/Spencer/Trish team (not that order) Low Voltage is the best assist, but on say… a Nova/Trish/IronMan team, Peakaboo is the best.
While that does setup unblockables, Trish typically enjoys having an OTG assist which makes it easier for her to carry someone to the corner in one touch (where the Round Harvest unblockable becomes possible). That’s why assists like Wesker, X-23 and She-Hulk worked well for this is Vanilla - they also provided her with an OTG. Viper works well here too because she provides the OTG and unblockable, even though her OTG didn’t hit high or low.
So you could run something like Trish/Nova/Iron-Man, but it’s not ideal IMO. I’d say it’s probably better to keep Trish and Nova on separate teams that play more to their individual strengths.
That was my assessment. Of trish Nova also, it can work, but not ideal for either character.
Why do you think I play so many teams, because I want to play the characters I like to their maximum potential, sometimes that requires necessary evils like Sentinel, or Wesker.
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oes the assist just ignore the ground bounce rule?? It doesnt reset it.
Ex - Nova Overhead —> M Centurion -----> Nova Overhead wont bounce them again
Or Am I Wrong??
No you’re right. The assist doesn’t reset the ground bounce, it ignores it/forces another one.
I switched to Nova in the back ( Ammy / HawkEye / Nova ).
My point Ammy is WAAAAAY better than my Anchor Ammy. Although shes nuts with the speed boost, I can’t set up my traps properly without an assist. And Nova Lvl 3 XF I can do simple combos and kill anyone. Also allows me to get the Elevator combo in from Up Exchanges with Nova.
BUT I might switch Nova to Second so he can have the HawkEye assist in the back. But for that to happen I have to truely learn HawkEye. I keep him second because he’s my weakest character and I dont want my weakest character as my anchor.
Ammy / Nova / Hawkeye would be a GDLK team and can have the best of All.
Also to Ve, What do you think about Nova / IronFist, You can still pull the crumple extensions off. Have to modify the combos slightly but still possible. I wouldnt se the team, but just throwing that out there.
Also does Mags Grav Assist consider the opponent grounded or airbourne??
I respectfully disagree. I know you’ve played more Trish than I, but I feel like this is unnecessary.
I’m seeing lots of people using Hawkeye on their team, so for those who are, how are you feeling with Hawkeye and Nova? After plenty of gameplays, I am just loving Hawkeye’s zoning, you guys think he’d be a good substitute for Doom?
Do you mean, Nova/Spencer/IronFist, that could be pretty solid, Iron Fists assist is pretty good, but It’s not as good as Sentinel (or others) for Nova’s and Spencers Neutral, and IF is even worse than Sent on his own. So if I was to downgrade from Sent assist, I’d at least want a better character to compensate.
Also, I am 100% sure you need spencer to use the crumple tech. There is no other assist that resets the opponent to a grounded standing state.
Also, I don’t like your using both Ammy and Hawkeye, assuming you using Ammy’s cold star you’ve either got two assist doing the same thing, or one that Nova doesn’t need, regardless of which assist you picked for Hawkeye.
The only assist that Nova really wants from Hawkeye is Greyhound, and it’s pretty darned solid. However, there are much better horizontal assists.