I liked your sig not your post. Just imagining Gouken saying that made me lol.
Gouken is so free to throws. No counter will save him 
I never played in the days when there were only 2 kongos so I can’t comment.
Hahaha I understand. I know the concept I put forward is broken. Only reason I want one kongo for high attacks is that sometimes its quite tough to tell if I should use HP kongo or MP kongo for jump ins. Strangely MP kongo works in way more situations than one might think. And btw, my sig is truth, not conjecture
You misunderstand, I have no issue with your suggestion; I think it would be more than fair.
I’m just making it clear that I really like that sig.
Why didn’t they just make EX Palm invincible on frames 1-24 instead of 2-25???
Edit: And why couldn’t they buff cl. st. mp > and cr. fp to force stand?? It would really solve manyt of issues regarding tatsu not hitting crouching opponents.
is gouken top tier yet
looking to main the most broken character in v.2012
The viper forums are that way… 
Im calling it Viper best character in 2012. Depending on the final list we receive this month we can make a judgement on gouken.
I really wish I had a button that would allow me to blow up peoples computers and game consoles.
I have a friend who every year in Madden or NBA 2K he picks whichever team won the championship… If I had the opportunity I’d slap the shit out of him too.
Ahh gotcha. Thanks
Any guesses on what tier Gouken will be after the patch? I’m gonna be optimistic and say low B.
It’s a good normal… it has a similar feel to the shoto st. mp normal in 3rd Strike
I’ll be realistic and say “new bottom of the list”
The end of this month can’t come any faster! We will be able to make smart guesses due to the change list.
I’m starting to look at other characters, and I guess I’m as happy as I can be with how they current 2012 Gouken looks.
-Akuma’s s.HK now being -2 on the second hit means he isn’t as free to bully us with it as before. The ground game vs him got a little bit better. The added recovery after a forward throw messes with safe jump setups, and palm now not being an overhead means that it’s a lot less scary to crouch vs his DF. These small nerfs help us out big time in the long run.
-It’s easier to hit Adon out of his JKs now with the hitbox change. We might be able to take advantage of s.HP’s increased active frames, thus more damage for swatting him out of the move more reliably.
-Fei can’t just 2-rekka us anymore. Sweep is basically free now.
-Yang…lol. Shorter range on s.MP and target combo now -7 on second hit = yay! Divekick has landing recovery now and an extra hurtbox, so it’s even harder to use to get in. Roll kick got fucked over. Weaker EX command throw. s.LK is now not retarded.
-Yun…huh, people say Yun didn’t get destroyed, but looking further into his nerfs, holy shit yeah he did, possibly way worse than Yang. TC nerf is welcome (though not as busted as Yang’s). Divekick now has a higher restriction, which means it’ll be easier to react to and maybe certain oki divekick setups won’t work with the upkick recovery on landing added…? EX lunge punch isn’t dumb. He doesn’t build meter as fast, so maybe less Genei Jin with the other nerfs in mind…which btw, is now a whole 60F shorter and less damaging. Shoulder no longer is retarded difficult to hit. Command throw got really hit, too.
Of course, though, there were a ton of buffs to various other characters, especially to some of Gouken’s other hard matchups. But I think Gouken’s changes are going to prove more useful than we give credit for. s.HP increase in active frames = stronger stuffing capabilities on stuff like divekicks and whatnot. The Denjin buff is going to be phenomonal, IMO. LP palm buff I think will work better in dealing with focus than we give credit for. Overhead buff gives us something a little bit on offense, and is better as a meaty attack. Super buff is self-explanatory.
We’ll have to see, but I do think some of us may be selling Gouken too short still. I don’t think he’s not low tier, but he probably will compete a lot better.
We also have to keep in mind that all those changes are NOT FINAL! They can be changes or completly removed in the list we receive later this month. Im not going to say anything till I see that fucking list lol. I want things set in stone. They asked us to give them feedback and this final list will hopefully be a reflection of that.
Bring on the final changes capcom!!
Infiltration think Gouken is better then Akuma in Canada Cup just now
Anyway, I think he is being ridiculous and mostly trying to surprise people. If he really is better, he would simply use him the whole way through the tournament.
He did beat Bonchan with Sagat rather convincingly though in winners top 32. I am rather speechless with his performance. His reflex is completely amazing and Bonchan have no clue how to play against him probably have to do with it.
That stuff was amazing.
It was completely insane. One of the first times I’ve seen Gouken at a tourney played with brash confidence.
I think he means hes better in the Gouken vs Sagat match not better in general.
that doesn’t make sense though, because akuma has advantage over Sagat, Gouken loses to Sagat. Perhaps they meant better in 2012, they were really vague in that comment. Infiltration played great, but bonchan clearly didn’t know the matchup, gouken shouldn’t be able to demonflip anything against sagat especially with ultra but bonchan went with the wrong ultra. Lots of unfamiliarity it seems.
Yea I saw everything. Bonchan clearly didnt know the matchup. Falling for air parry when he should have been tiger kneeing or EX tigerupercuting. He got blown up.
I think hes statement is redunkulas gouken is not better then akuma. I will however keep watching to see what else he can do with gouken.
Infiltration vs kazunoko comming up soon. I bet he wont use gouken then loll