Just to clarify, I don’t believe he should be yellow carded.
I am pretty salty that he just fucked around in top matches though. I use tournaments to download information, and seeing people throw away stuff like that really irks me.
This is the best troll I’ve seen in a while. I just don’t see them like this anymore.
Does this mean that anyone who gives up in umvc3 when their opponent is up 2-0 and has killed two of their characters and they only have about half a lifebar on the last character (the “assist” character) and no xfactor should get yellow carded for “intentionally unperforming”?
What if you only have 5% of your health left, and instead of going for a comeback, you just walk forward into a fireball and continue the round?
That’s technically intentionally undeperforming and if we’re going with the “rules are rules” mindset, then anyone who does that in any evo qualifier tournament should get a yellow card!
Justin could have won.
CrisG would never win against Bala.
That suma it up for me.
This doesn’t matter. The Justin Wong issue was about collaborating with a friend, not forfeiting a match. Evo’s statement didn’t say it, but everybody knew that was the underlying issue. That match was more about fixing results to help someone else than simply not putting your best effort forward. One is much easier to identify than the other.
ChrisG looked like a baby quitting like that but it was about being 100% outmatched by a player on a completely different level not helping a friend out with extra points/wins or trying to affect the normal outcome of an EVO event.
I really think this is an indefensible opinion to have. The mistake was the EVO “judges” or whatever not calling it like it was last year and making the yellowcard about collaborating with friends in a non-team tournament. Because that was the real issue, not Justin’s lack of trying. You will never be able to prove if he tried his best, you can however show with proof that Justin and Noel are friends and have a history of playing together and meeting each other in finals matches that play differently than the matches leading up to those finals.
Didn’t my man win this thread two pages ago?
People need to stop making this about underperforming or Justin vs Chris G. Justin’s actions directly impacting the seeding points that EVO was giving out for that event last year, which as a business, EVO can’t tolerate as it effects the integrity of their tournament.
Let me quote this again for the people:
Chris G already lost to Bala 2-0, Bala beat BananaKen 3-0 in Winners Finals, plus who knows how many people he destroyed on his way there. What do people want Chris G to do, lose harder?
Plus his actions did not have any impact on EVO seeding because he already lost, nor was his actions collusion because he already lost. Regardless of Chris G trying his darnedest to win or using random select, he’s already locked in to 2nd place after beating BananaKen 3-2 to even get to grand finals in the first place.
I do feel that Chris G should have either played it out or not played at all since you don’t want to see people dicking around in grand finals and wasting people’s time, nor does it put KOF in a good light. But grown folk need to stop snitching just because Justin got in trouble last year.
I think that the “intentionally under performing” part should have amended “intentionally under preforming to benefit yourself or other players” because you should be allowed to forfeit if you’re simply outplayed and maybe feel that the rest of the match will just demoralize you such that it might affect your play in other games, etc. whatever the dumb reason is, you have it.
But the issue is fixing results, tie it back to that. I think that in order to have a violation you need to have both the “throwing the match” thing and a prior connection to the winning player or demonstrable evidence that an agreement was made as to the results of the match.
So much retarded emotion driven nonsense in here its painful. Let me make it easy for you. Answer these questions:
Should Chris G be carded because you feel like he did something wrong? More importantly, should Chris G be carded because he broke a set rule?
Please don’t get those two questions confused. A lot of you are. The underlying issue here is that rules need to be very careful defined and thought out. I do not feel that they are at the moment. But that doesn’t matter once they are set down. You follow them to the letter, period.
Imagine an athlete drank too many red bulls at a birthday party ONCE before random testing. He gets flagged as having too much caffeine (lets say he’s only 1% over the limit). People could cry out ‘OH BUT THAT DOESN’T CHANGE ANYTHING, HE’S NORMALLY CLEAN AND HE ONLY DID IT TO PARTY, JUST LET HIM COMPETE’. True, its unlikely that he will carry any permanent advantage over his competitors because of this, and indeed he was only just over the limit… But he should be penalised,** because he broke the rules**.
That’s all there is too it.
… How does one personally benefit from losing on purpose in grand finals? How does one personally benefit from losing on purpose period?
… But he didn’t break the rules.
This is coming from the guy who believes that attempting to prove a negative is considered “logic”. Despite all your constant rambling, you still haven’t read my essay, because you simply cannot argue against it. My post, and others’, have destroyed any form of argument you already have. And apparently the coherent, logical members in this thread agree.
Care to point out the circular logic and red herring examples? If my essay is really so rife with fallacies as you say it is, then I am surprised at why you haven’t pointed them out and argued against them.
I read your arguments and gave my rebuttal. If you cannot extend the same courtesy, then you have no grounds to continue arguing. Read and rebut, don’t cry about it.
I’m glad you admit yourself to be less intelligent, although I doubt it was due to the essay. It’s also funny that you mention ad hominem. My original “essay” did not have any attacking statements. My second essay, however, (the one you claimed you “didn’t read”) did indeed contain a statement concerning your inability to coherently argue. How strange that you claim ad hominem, considering you “didn’t even read” the essay containing it. Exposed? =]
Also my statements were true and made in good faith- your fallacies and terrible arguments mean that you would make an inept lawyer. Nevertheless, read the points stated in my argument, and try to attain the intelligence to understand and respond. And how classic- “gtfo”. The last resort in the banal bag of trolling tricks, Sonichurricane? U Mad bro? Try harder next time.
If you believe that that’s fine. (please bare in mind my bolded part i’m referring to the athlete not Chris G. I have to really read the whole of evo’s rules and regulations before I can come to a sound conclusion. I personally think the fact it is ambiguous with lots of room for interpretation means that they need changing.)
My main point is I just want people to stop chatting about ‘oh he shouldn’t be carded because i don’t think he did anything wrong’.
So I guess whomever plays diago on his world tour and gets mollywhopped in the finals…after defeating EVERYONE else… by randomly selecting a character should get a penalty?? Diago outted his opponents original character with a perfect, ultra, and taunted him… this scenario repeated. Yet because his opponent switched gears to a least try to off his game but have fun at the same time he should be penalized??
If you want to stop people from sandbagging, ect. BEAT THEM.
If they are good enough to run through the tourney like a raped ape, and then throw a GF match, what does that say about the competition?
You could personally benefit if your finals opponent is like “I’ll give you the entire pot and a bonus on top”. Like, MrSatan/#18, you know!
Not that this is anywhere likely in this case since Bala would’ve won anyways and I doubt he is that stupid…
He didn’t sandbag. He lost… got exposed. What ever the new generation likes to say… Bet you he learned from that exposure to find a counter when he faces that guy again.
people are jumping on him as if he was clearly the BETTER player. He was not. KOF has a set of gdlk/top players that even our very own got exposed (see MLG) basically sayin you got some learning to do.
see another thing is what trips me out is a lot of people dont know chris g is a very emotional player. he tells on himself. that expression he gave was a FUCK im bout to get plastered. i need to try something… random select cause he has read my line up like a book. Clearly the better player. This is not like marvel where we KNOW his skillset… witness him over a period of time work his team via the knowledge of the GAME as a whole. He is still learning KOF as is a LOT of SF/Marvel players are… we dont know his skillset fully. he might have gotten past the field THERE at powerup but WHO was there really if (no disrespect) chris g ran thru the bracket… hell i dont know nor does anyone else other than pure followers of KOF.
I have a character i can play along with a back up. you mop them then im gonna go with whatever to at least throw you of… try anything. i dont think we simply have a lot of competitors anymore…its seems more an more like audience-“stream monsters” that are just watching.
What was happening was inputs were not coming out at all. Not only were punches and kicks not coming out but the characters weren’t moving at all, that’s why they had to stop in between matches during Winners or Grand Finals (I forgot which one).
I agree with this and think the bolded is the most sensible thing said in the entire thread.
Who the hell is Chris G?
Just because Justin MADE IT LOOK LIKE he tried doesn’t mean he had any intention of winning. You probably don’t know any of these players and everything you say is based off of what YOU SEE and not from of any actual knowledge.