Fast Food Strike in 50 Cities

Customers would not tolerate this. Do you have any idea how slow, inept, and frustrated the typical customer is with dealing with self-serve machines in a customer service environment? You’d have to put all that money you saved into hiring new employees just to deal with the unending shitrain of tech service issues, almost invariably just because the customer doesn’t want to think and wants to be walked through a process that could, in the end, be more efficiently left in the hands of the other person in the first place.

The reason any customer service joint still employs human beings (believe me, they have other options) is precisely because the typical customer doesn’t want the responsibility of taking their own order. 99% of the appeal of such a business is the comfort of putting that responsibility in somebody else’s hands.

i’ll admit, i’m a little concerned million is on my side.

The more that I think about it, one of the causes of this fast food strike is the globalization of the US job market. A lot of our jobs that we used to have in the 80s and 90s are now being fulfilled by various call centers and factories overseas, which has left more and more adults with obsolete/incomplete skill sets working in unskilled labor.

I can’t really give any answer for how to fix that kind of problem. :confused:

I see 40+ year old people at the bank who can’t even use the ATM, there’s no way you can expect these people to use a self serve machine to get a #3 with extra sauce and no pickles

Now I understand why those make-your-own-sandwich kiosks at Royal Farms are always empty, and there’s always a couple of people waiting to talk to a real person.

My job recently gave us a 1.50 raise to help retention because our biggest competitor (hospital) is about to finish being built (old one destroyed by a twister). They did this because the labor market of the area compelled them to do it, not because this cheapass hospital wanted to be nice to us and spend more money.

People were getting hired, going through training, receiving a certification after a year of school (for free) and then hopping ship to better pay elsewhere. The administrators were very vexed at the high turnover, and did everything they could short of raises to stop it.
Nothing stopped it, so they were forced to give us raises.

I came in at the tail end of the ordeal so I got a benefit from other employees following the market and got a raise.

Company loyalty is for suckers. It feels like the winning strategy these days is to get certifications/degrees in a needed field of study, and hop ship for better pay. Waiting around for shit to get better is a pipe dream.

How many people in FGC seriously flip burgers for a living. I’m not talking manager or above level

Seems like every place i go now they have 8 selfcheckout stand & 2 employees in case the machine acts up…

I wish that were true. Customer service employees in this age of outsourcing and automation is like Sonic and rings, you can live with just one.

i’m going to ramble bc im drunk.

When I was in HK I worked for a Japanese company, tutoring these Japanese guys who were mostly businessmen, executives, chosen few even at a young age being groomed, even had a vp occasionally*. we talked a lot of business English generally and i was always trying to stay on top of the latest financial/global news to talk about with them, so they could feel like they were getting more than just a normal english lesson.

we often discussed the differences between america and japan. it’s the most immediately obvious topic, near universal. when we talked about careers, they said that in japan, company loyalty was considered normal. you worked your ass off to get into a company, applied with thousands of other equally motivated people for a position. very stressful, very intense. but if you got hired, awesome. they would treat you right.

i always said that in america especially, that kind of company relationship is long gone. being loyal to a company when they refuse to give you the full value of your work, and you can *easily *get better elsewhere, is hurting not just you, but everyone you work with. it may be different in other countries, but on our fruited plains, if a company can get away with reaming you, it’s been my experience that they will do it long and hard. your job is to make it hard for them to get away with it by the quality of your work and the value of education, skills, intelligence, intangible that you bring.

been mentioned in this thread that although these positions can easily get filled, finding reliable people is pretty hard. If you have the work ethic and drive and character to do a great job, come to work when you’re needed, only get baked behind the trash bin every OTHER night, you’re usually the type of person who will quickly move to better things.

as much as i hate religion, i value the separation of church and state more

Or you know

rather than bitch to McDonalds

Maybe these people should complain to congress, and force congress to do their job you know. Like manage the country’s money as dictated by the constitution of the United States.

Its not McDonalds fault the cost of living is so god damn high.

But hey, fuck logic, lets blame McDonalds because of they make massive profits.

And lets increase minimum wage, because in America, our solution never address the problems.

I feel like the older that I get, the more that I realize that our country is rather fucked on a fundamental level, which is unlikely to get resolved through any amount of elections. The bipartisan government coupled with the lobbyist assist is just too strong, and is rushing our rights the fuck down.

The whole republican vs democrat stuff is just a show these days

People aren’t realizing that employees working these jobs aren’t all deadbeats, druggies, welfare maidens and burnouts, but also grads trying to pay off exorbitant student loans while looking for so-called “better” jobs, fighting to get funds to make it through graduate school, divorcees struggling to pay alimony/ child support, or skilled workers who got laid off in the degree-sought fields. Those lengthy breaks between unemployment don’t wait for you to find that better job, you’ll need to supplement lack of serious income by any means necessary. How is one even going to have money for dry cleaning, transportation, rent and insurance to even get a better job while in this transitional period?

Thankfully, I’m glad I had a scholarship and worked 2 jobs to pay my way through undergrad, but not everyone has that same good fortune, especially since things have changed a lot since many of us were college students. Why should an already suffering poor class, many of which would’ve constituted the middle class pre-2008, have to suffer more when these corporations are raking in billions off their sweat?

It’s quite disturbing how this distorted perception of monetary fairness seem to be inherent:

http://www.michaelshermer.com/2008/01/weird-things-about-money/

To show how disparate things have become- My older colleague used to regale to me how in his youth he would work at a grocery store at in the '90s and afford to pay his rent, car insurance, and go on road trips to see his favorite bands, all while making a whopping $5.50 an hour. Can anyone even relate to this idea now? Inflation and corporate greed has blinded us to the fact that we’re being royally buttraped with hotsauce for lube.

“Fuck it I’ll quit my job and work fast food too!”

There’s only going to be so many jobs total, even if the people working there aren’t good. That high turnover rate will change quickly.

And act like the $1 menu isn’t made of the same shit and has 400 million calories too. :coffee:

Right, other stuff on this page. Look at what Papa Johns did when they were forced to have some sort of benefits at work. Suddenly nobody gets 40 hours, yet the same amount or even more shifts.

To sum up…

“If we got free healthcare, how would we know who deserves to live and who deserves to die?” - The Onion

Ok even though I hate liberals because they’re a bunch of dirty hippies, I gotta disagree with some of the conservative talking points I see.

  1. Poor people suck and deserve to be shit on cause they are lazy and partied instead of working hard. That is assuming all rich people got there through hard work (this is patently false), and all poor people did not. This is known as the just world fallacy. We want to think that life is fair, and that if we work hard, we will be rewarded. This is not true.

  2. Fast food wages were never meant to sustain a family. I agree with this, but the middle class jobs such as manufacturing have come and gone and are never coming back. So all that’s left are these kinda shitty jobs. Now, as a taxpayer, I do not want to subsidize corporate prrofits by paying for poor people’s health care, so for entirely selfish reasons I want these corporations to pay their employees more

  3. Inflation. The data doesn’t really show that raising minimum wage will cause inflation to go up so much as to nullify it. Again, be more worried about helicopter Ben and his shitty QE that is ruinating the dollar. The thing is, if all the wealth is concentrated at the top, IT DOES NOT TRICKLE DOWN. We are a consumer economy. A rich person’s spending does not scale linearly with their wealth. A rich person is not going to buy a million computers. So unless the poor people have more money to spend, the economy overall becomes worse because goods and services will not be sold.

Finally if you look at the big picture, income inequality is bad. It leads to stupid shit like the french revolution or communist uprisings, which just make things worse for EVERYBODY. So again, for purely selfish reasons, I’m all about placating poor people. The question is, how to do it sustainably. I’d say either raise minimum wage, or have government give handouts on the condition that everyone who receives said handouts can only have two children max (if you’re poor you should not have children because you can’t afford them PERIOD). If they have more than one, they are put up for adoption. This makes me cringe because I hate big government, but it has to be done.