i wanna see AznHitler vids
My bro recorded most of the finals and got his stuff vs. Valle and Makoto Mike. Not trying to post that up though cuz I dont want the ban hammer. Azn is sick with it though. His match vs. Five Star/Kobe Bryant was epic as well. Didn’t get that one captured unfortunately. Lot of good matches we didn’t get. Hopefully Evo doesn’t start banning cameras from tourneys because there’s way too much good stuff that happens before finals that’s worth taping.
Do you know where is he from? i somehow recall that name, but dont remember from where.
From what I heard he was from Texas. Got quite a few beasts down in the south. I see him post here every now and then. I believe he spells his name as asianhitler on the forums.
asianhitler’s job is being my bitch.
I ain’t doing no swing’n just givin props where they are due. AsianHitler (David Hem) is like the Justin Wong of Houston. He’s good at all the games. And he don’t take it serious.
As far as the Single game thing goes, I think it’s cool. The cream always rises to the top. You gotta really play like you want it. Like if you don’t win this game your out.
That’s the way I played it. The way Asian was playing surely looked like he was doing the same. If you only got one match play that match like your life depends on it.
hitler had that FIRE when he lost his very first match in qual pools XD :[
That’s where the fire starts baby. I lost my first match in pools too. I even hit a button by accident and got hit by Ken f+HK overhead FTL. There was no way I was gonna get shamed like that and not come back. That set the tone for everything else. :lol:
Pack my boxes ho!
Sucks that my fierce button actually gave out randomly during the tourny. I end up using someone else’s stick which affected my execution. Not trying to make excuses, just saying…
I was reading this thread and I have to say somthing about pools vs. 2/3 double elim style. I went to evo2k4 and qualified. Now I know i’m not a top 32 player in the usa in 3s, but that’s what I got at evo2k4. I saw players like eric lee peaced out in pool play and I just got beat by him this past month at a SC tournament. How the fuck do I make it out of pool play, but eric lee doesn’t? Am I better than eric lee? FUCK NO! But yet I qualified and he didn’t. Just like you I qualified because I had a pool with 1 japanese hugo player and the rest was cali peeps that NEVER played against ORO. That’s lucky for both of us IMO.:looney:
I don’t agree with the cream will rise to the top in pool play theory. Getting 1 match and placed in a random pool is not the best way to run a tournament IMO. It’s too random IMO.
I totally understand why evo runs that type of tournament style in the early stages of each tournament. There is no f’ing way you could run each game 2/3 double elim with 300-400+ people within one day. Not counting each game being played over the weekend with people playing in multiple games. It’s the only way to hurry the tournament along. Anyone that’s run a tournament knows getting through the first 3 rounds of the winners brackets takes the longest time during each game. The tournament starts to fly after that 3rd round on the winners side usually.
Pool play is needed at evo-worlds. You can’t avoid using it if you have that many people playing in your tournament. If they didn’t have pool play evo would last 5 days IMO. Also it saves money on buying more equipment also. When you have pool play you can tell 5-6 people to report to 1 station and play round robin. That get’s 6 people to play on 1 set up.
I know it feels like people were cheated out of the tournament if they go 1 and done, but you can’t avoid it IMO. Atleast you can’t with EVOworlds. Maybe at the regional evo’s the turnout won’t be so massive that they can run a traditional style tournament, but for evoworlds you might as well get use to the 1 and done pool play style. I qualified in the losers bracket. At the time the bracket wasn’t reset back in the day, so my 1st lost and I was gone. I thought when I qualified that it would be reset to 2/3 double elim bracket, but sadly I was mistaken. 
I can’t imagine people how people felt that didn’t qualify. Oh yes I can, I didn’t qualify for ST. Lost in pool play to ryan hart and sirlin in ST pool.
My 0.02
^^^ Oh yeah man…I agree with you. 1 match is definitely not the best way to figure out who clearly did the best as far as real solid statistics. I would say that although anything could have happened…I still would have had Nuki winning it even with 2/3 until grand finals. From there it’s a big mish mash but when it’s one game you just have to want to win that one match. That’s not even necessarily enough to ensure you are going to win or that the correct person should win…but that’s really all you can do when it’s one game. Just get in there and fight. You already know you could die to just random stuff you dont get enough play vs. There’s no questioning whether it will happen. IT WILL HAPPEN. Maybe not to you but people will get touched and it could be you. You either think about it or you dont think about it and just play to win.
No point in worrying about whether you really should where you ultimately end up…it’s already decided that things are going to be wacky. You could go 2 and out or you could make your way up the brackets. Either way you dont really have much other control than to just play the game. 3rd Strike is random enough as it is so the 1 game thing is pretty much incentive to bring the trickies from round 1. If you got some new stuff that you’ve been brewing up against peepz back home…bring that ish to the table cuz that’ll probably do more good for you than just treating everyone like a high level player. You gotta be able to just feel when you only got one game. Bring all the tricks from round 1 or at least get a guage for the way the opponent plays during round 1. If you beat them in round 1 you already have the advantage.
That brings up the other issue. If you did come out of the brackets the brackets were even reset for you. Still single match but you had another life even if you got beat to move through the brackets. Which was very relieving after such a mess in the pools. It was still a mess with one match each game but in some ways I guess it was better than being in the losers bracket with 2/3 matches. It wasn’t about the statistics at that point…it was about just playing because you were there to play and you needed to win that one match.
It’s already been talked about to death how 1 match doesn’t get overall results. I pretty much agreed with that even before they announced that the rules would change at Evo. Especially in a game like 3rd Strike. Sucks but Evo’s coming up again next year and it’ll definitely be better and more organized. I’m sure I would be rather dissapointed myself if I went 2 and out again but to go from 2 and out in a 2/3 event last year and placing within the top 25 this year…even with one match I had to have been doing a few more things right than I was last year. That’s just simply the way I look at it. Maybe I just randomed a bunch of people out but as anyone can tell you…that’s really what I’m trying to do in every match I play. :lol:
The main thing I dislike about the one match deal is that it encourages people to be random. Granted, you should be playing carefully to watch for it anyway, but it sucks losing rounds because you got supered in between jabs.
Like Take’s Remy was mad random at SBO, and he usually doesn’t play like that, but it worked to his advantage.
Yeah…you can look at it like “oh man…Take was just pressin buttons FTW” but when it’s one game…that’s what you do. You press those buttons in a correlation that no one has ever done themselves. BTW the game’s called 3rd Strike so that’s extra incentive to do so when you only got one game. You just gotta make moves and somehow turn it into a win. That’s really what the Japanese are trying to do. Create a lead by making abstract moves. Everyone’s gonna be looking extra carefully for obvious stuff when it’s only one game so there’s no point in playing super solid and impressing the wise 3S gods.
If people are watching you play and going “man I’ve never seen anyone try to play like that ever” then you’re doing the right thing in a single match situation. Just solid enough to not make obvious mistakes but crazy enough to make some of your movements look like complete mistakes that can be taken advantage of. Hit them buttons so you can get a lead on their life bar. Once you get the lead then you can try to make more sense of things. You can’t wait for things to fall into place when you only got one match to do it. The only way to even have a chance at that is if you clearly outskill the opponent. The person who gets the first round can then take their time. The person who is losing the lead will more than likely have to be even more crazy to pull it out. Whether they rush it right back down or jesus block everything FTW.
I think I am the only person that actually liked the results from single elimination. It is granted that you didn’t get to play that much but look at the results. It looks closer to what we expect from Japanese results. We see more diversity of both characters and players. I mean, when I watch a Japanese tournament and see a random guy or a random team making it to the top four, I never see people complain. But now that some random guy got top eight at Evolution and people are going ape-shit. What is the real difference between these situations? That the other is Japanese? Please.
Yes.
For example, and I’m not knocking Devil Jin here, but think about how much of an advantage it was for characters people arn’t use to? Ibuki could random that shit out for a match, and move on. Fighting games usually measure technical skill, strategy and how well people adapt. With one match, there really wasn’t time to adapt. But yeah for real, props Devil Jin, glad to see you kept with the game and got good at it.
That, and there were a lot who I feel should have placed higher than they did. So yeah, I think it did matter.
EDIT: Should have read the rest before quoting. DJ and others already posted this lol.
Yeah…it definitely did matter. I’ve said in multiple posts already that it definitely did make a difference. When people like Mopreme end up near dead last in semi finals…it’s definitely some random stuff going down as beasts are randoming each other out and new upcoming beasts are randoming out the current beasts. There was definitely situations where just new people were taking out beasts. The dominoes were just falling any old way at Evo. It wasn’t statistically correct or even fair but damn was it fun to see go down.
There’s no reason not to knock me really because I’ve pretty much been knocking myself the whole time. I understand the difference between 1 game play and play where there is a clearer winner based on who was able to adapt over a period of matches instead of just one game. I’ve won against people in tournaments in both types of situations even when my character caters more to a single game situation. Technically all that I really got out of this is that I understand that I’ve become better at the game. That’s all that I look at it as. Nothing more. The number that I placed at is just a number that I can throw around to say that I placed in the same bracket as these good guys. Doesn’t mean that I’m on their level…I’m just randomly in the middle of these guys and I played well/random enough to sit with those guys in the results list. It’s hardly accurate as far as how I would have done if I had to go 2/3 vs. those same people but again…I’ve been in the other situation as well. Lost the first match against a strong player only to come back through the other 2 or more games and win.
I dont even care about how high I placed. I told myself going in that I would only care if I made it to top 8. Which at that point I would be looking at top 3. I knew the only way results for any player would be concrete would be to place within like top 3 any ways. Everything else is a mish mash because of the whole one game thing. It wasn’t about where everyone placed…it was about were you going to place in the number 1 spot. That was really the only way you could look at it at Evo this year. All or nothing.
Nah homie, don’t let this take away from your placing, or let others do it. You adapted, you took advantage of what you had to do. I, along with many others, didn’t care for the rule change, especially after becoming so accustomed to 2/3. But that’s not a real reason to say why I lost. Gota think of Sirlin’s Play to Win.
Sorry if I came off hating on your placing lol.
You lost one match, and came back fierce with the pressure of being put out at any match, so that’s props alone.
Yeah…exactly. You have to look at it at what you were able to do given the circumstances. I’m sure there’s more luck involved in winning 1 match than over a set but if you can pull through when one match is all it takes to knock you out you have to have been doing some things right.
Nah…I understood where you’re coming from. That’s not the way I took it at all. It just came down to the fact that the character I played and general way I played was an advantage with the way the rules were. I knew that going in and realized it even more when I finally was out of the game.
With anything competitive people are gonna have their opinions and that’s just something you have to understand and deal with. There’s no need to question why your fellow players dont have any confidence in you…you need to have confidence in yourself. They don’t dictate what happens on the screen and you trying to convince them with words isn’t going to help. You need to press those buttons nice on the screen in order to make a real lasting impact in the figthing game scene. You can talk all you want and try to get other top people to recognize you but no one’s gonna really remember you unless you hit them buttons good. At least not in a “that dude’s got game” kinda way.
Personally, I think 1/1 matches gives lower tier characters a chance to raise. As you said, no one knew how to play against Ibuki; however, it is their fault for not being prepared. If 1/1 gives lower tier characters some advantage because people would be less prepared, would you say that it gives more incentive for people to use characters other than Chun/Ken/Yun? Wouldn?t that be better? I mean, 2/3 matches obviously gives higher tier characters advantage because it gives the player to recuperate.
Besides, a pure double elimination is only accurate to the 1st and 2nd best players. As long as the top two is accurate, does it really matter what falls under them?
Let?s face it, last year people complained for having five Yuns at the finals. This year people complain because Mike and AznHitler got top eight, even though that the character selection is slightly more diverse from last year?s.
Personally, I don?t want to see all Chuns and Yuns at top eight. It gets boring considering that I have been watching Chun/Yun top eight battles for the last three years. lol
I want to see HungB at top four next year taking Roah out from the pools.