I’d only do this type of production really for like versus AI and Mexico stuff, I’m thinking about as I say teaming up what I know with Scottind when I go to Cali for Raging Storm SoCal so that I can stream me vs. Mr. KOF in 12 and 13 lololol for everyone to see.
The footage you saw from JuareZ WarZone was HD HDD cam and handycam but I didnt know how to use them for the situation at the time. At the time I didnt know how to eliminate the “black bars” so at this point now I have discovered how to eliminate that I have seen, now I have to reduce the quality on the HD HDD camcorder to standard so it will eliminate the black bars and after that then they will look much better.
The MacBook footage IMHO looks the best and as always I am looking for ways to edit/improve everything. If you consider my footage now compared to say a year ago, it’s like no comparison, I went from Dazzle DVD Recorder to Black Magic DVD Recorder, a MacBook that NEVER LAGS, a HD HDD Camcorder, and Digital Cameras, now I’m trying to get into the Streaming thing but an Issue at Central Park of Juarez and a few places in Mexico is INTERNET, you dont appreciate good internet you got now until you go to Mexico, it’s like 10X Worse in Mexico so that hurts streaming so for now I’m trying to do the best I can but yet trying to go the streaming route and learn about it while I can.
I think KoF XIII is fun! I just went down to AI today, total noob, only experience with KoF was an old KoF 2002 PS2 game I dusted out just last night. Played Vice, Mature, and Athena, and had a blast. I mean, I lost nearly all of my matches, but it was fun. I tried to play Super Street Fighter IV and got totally mixed up in the head. KoF was more fast-paced and pretty damn fun, but I was totally foreign to the mechanics. I watched the KoF tutorial video you guys have a sticky on that helps transition from Street Fighter, and it was very helpful! I get the hop > low > jab concept, but KoF was still pretty challenging.
I like this new game, wish I had a console version to practice with, but overall, it was a fun experience, really fast-paced, and it was really fun diving in.
I think, however, if you guys want to get KoF on it’s feet and make it more known, the community needs more active members. I wouldn’t mind more of those tutorial videos or two. This is just my thought on it.
Actually I think my gripe isn’t with the skill gaps of the tourneys but the tourneys themselves. Maybe we should take a page from some other scenes and start running more Ranbats. then at the end at every season or so have a tournament to decide a winner for that season, then start it over again. Stream those ranbats to get more views and have commentary for it and thats the basic formula that a lot of other FG communities are doing.
Erik speaks the truth guys, wish him the best of luck in Mexico, he will come back and give you his thoughts on his first trip across the border and it will be documented/filmed as a part of All Versus 2010 and we will see how he thinks about things when he gets back if he shares similar views of other people that have travelled and came back (Like myself) and others that still go there alot.
Yeah I’m down for that, I just wonder how many people AGAIN would show up, bottom line is the people showing up, I hear every excuse in the world to sit at home and play online but NONE of them are good…they have an excuse I come back with a BETTER ANSWER.
Best excuse I heard was LACK OF COMPETITION…to which I said why not come down to Mexico/and or AI to get your ass kicked (Competition problem=solved lol) and that will solve that!!!
I think the biggest reason the SNK community doesn’t flourish is because we lack a real website/forum. You can’t really say it’s because of the advertising because look at games like melty blood and guilty gear. Neither has really been advertised to a large extent, but thanks to meltybread and dustloop, both have become full-fledged communities.
This half-assed forum on SRK really isn’t the place for SNK, at least that’s how I feel. Fighting for character specific threads aside, we need a more. Take a quick look at Meltybread.com, and dustloop.com, both are fairly simple formats with tons of information. Not that I don’t appreciate that Wiz lends this area to the SNK players, but I feel that more is necessary to form a really cohesive community. We need a neutral gathering point that we can all communicate and share information through.
Now before anyone chimes in, I think the biggest detail to take notice of is that I said neutral. Meaning I know DG has his own forums, but at this point the community is still too shattered and this-side-that-side to really get behind it. Personally I like DG, met up with him at Devastation a few years back and got to see some good KoF, but that’s beside the point.
We need another Kastel, another MrWizard, another whoever-the-fuck runs Dustloop and Meltybread, to show up and really get something going.
There are 3 sites that come to mind. Cyberfanatix is most active but also probably my least favorite of the three, then there’s madman’s cafe and orochinagi which have been around forever but hasn’t really been active in ages. Out of the three, I would say Orochinagi cause they recently did a makeover of their front page, always room for a new definitive startup tho.
Who wants to travel hundreds or thousands of miles to play some dinosaur age games? Well, I guess I kinda want to lul. I totally would. But, ya know, this economy is crap, traveling is expensive.
Although.
You get some RB2, Breakers or Karnov running in NY or not far out of state, and I’ll pop by. :karate:
DG, I think it’s safe to say that most people who have criticisms of you are mostly concerned that you put in more effort and personal resources into players and events that that have they nothing to do with, and the players that do have problems with you are namely players that are just trying to get better at KoF in general. To them, the stuff that you’re doing abroad is more of a personal endeavor. I’m not saying that you should stop pursuing these international tournaments—I personally enjoy seeing these dudes throw down—but for those who are simply trying to level up, it is of limited value. It isn’t helping the players in the USA get better. Even for the events you’re setting up at home, just holding tournaments and offering huge pots isn’t enough to develop stronger players let alone a stronger scene.
That isn’t entirely on you, because if someone was determined to level up then they would do so on their own and come to tournaments more prepared, but for KoF this is evidently an extremely difficult task. Most people don’t really know where to start. Those who have no possibility of travel or don’t have a healthy arcade or local community can’t get the competition necessary to improve, so they must look for other things. Dandy J’s tutorial was a step in the right direction as far as getting people solid in KoF fundamentals. But other than that, people are left to seek out the help from people on forums/IRC and/or scrap up what they can from essentially blind GGPO play. Match vids are there, too, but like it has been discussed before it’s only valuable to those who already have an understanding. Basically, DG, I think people who have come to realize what little they have as far as resources go resent the fact that you haven’t been offering the support of a fellow player and instead have been putting all this time and money into players that are already better off.
Though these are just my observations, I feel they’re worth throwing out there.
More generally though, with the arrival of XIII it seems that there are, more than ever, opportunities for everyone to start developing a scene the correct way, but the players must be willing to level themselves up along with the players around them. In order to do that, people need to write guides, people need to make video tutorials, participate in healthy discussion, organize ranbats locally and online—all that jazz that seems to happen everywhere else in the FGC but here. It can be done, and I think it will be done if everyone chips in.
Good post. A centralized place that had everything needed in order to become solid in KoF would do wonders. You could always find information in bits and pieces within a couple threads here, but there are seldom any thorough articles, coherent tutorials, or FAQs made and compiled together for someone to just sit down and use to get better. Stickys here for now would be good, too. Resources are the key.
Anyway pretty much what Laban said…people keep getting hyped up for new kof releases but then don’t play them much when they come out…even worse is that they don’t know how to play any kofs at all. Learning the fundamentals from easily available kof games such as 98 and 2k2 will make you stronger in the upcoming titles obviously but no one seems to care.
Thats cause the average man doesn’t want to play aold version of the game to develop the fundamentals, its like playing Super Turbo to get ready for 4. Some people do that, most don’t.
I’ve used orochinagi as a resource in the past, and I definitely think it could be a great place to congregate too. A few things would need to be taken care of first. The first step though would be to actually get in contact with the guy who runs the site. Does anyone know who’s actually responsible for it? I think if we could get an active site owner as well as a few good moderators, it would do really well. The next step would be to setup location specific forums in addition to the ones they already have. The layout here at SRK is pretty standard, and while I don’t think an exact copy is necessary, the way the regions are broken up is nice.
Other than that though I think it would be an excellent start. Looking closer at the orochinagi board it has a nice aesthetic and seems very welcoming. The only problems are the few listed above and also making sure people actually go there, which I imagine would start with word of mouth… right here.
I just sent a few of the orochinagi mods some PMs, so hopefully they can provide some input as well. I’d imagine that if they’re willing to work with SNK players it’d work a lot towards getting people to move over, if that’s something that may even be possible
I’m thinking the same on Orochinagi, other than Madmans, its the oldest. For real half of the fresh relevant info has been coming from there and madmans anyway. I gave CX a try last year for 12. Le sigh… going there is like descending directly into the salt mines. Alot of good ppl -Go Sugarboy & Kulanator- but too much trolling and drama. After the 3rd crash I never bothered to go back.
It’s even worse now, with a particular hypocritical mod with too much time on his hands, who has turned it into his personal selective cesspool.
Yeah, what a novel idea! Let’s separate the niche within a niche… Those sites work because those games have scenes. There are enough resources here at SRK but I’m sure most of the people in here just want a new place to increase their post count.
Yeah, I guess you want a new forum as a supplement to the lack of playing you already do. Now you get to post about it.
There already were such websites besides Orochinagi. Fierce Slash was solely devoted to SNK, and Guard Crush at the beginning was for SNK, but both sites failed horribly because the SNK scene did not support those sites. Only a few players from the scene did, but eventually they quit because they knew that they were wasting their time. Some people did use those websites, but they’d just get their information and leave, like those websites were GameFAQs. You need to give people motivation to use your website and give them the urge to debate and have discussions, so that they stick around. Giving a bunch of reasons, which might be good for people to use your website is not enough. Being the defacto website is not good enough either.
Meltybread is a good example to base a new community off of, IMO. The site looks pretty small, but it’s very alive due to how dedicated its own members are. Most importantly is that the scene’s key community members and top players support the website, by using it and contribute their knowledge and information of the game, over there. Neither Fierce Slash or GC had that.
yes cause if I’m not on GGPO slaving away, im not playing at all. God forbid I play with living breathing people. The salt does go stale after a while, but thats not the point is it.
