Get off your ass and play SNK fighters offline. If you have no one to play offline, take SNK fighters to gatherings/tournaments that feature other fighting games.
If you can’t do that - because you are lazy: then you don’t need to play in the first place.
If you can’t do that - because there is NO ONE AT ALL YOU CAN PLAY OFFLINE: then I suppose online will do (you’re on your own figuring that shit out). :rolleyes:
Better get used to this, because KOF XIII is coming out eventually (even though you should be doing this for 98um, 2k2um, and xi already :rolleyes:). And if the scene doesn’t exist, you’ll have no one to blame but yourself. :tdown:
I just finished watching this Shoryuken - Starting an SNK scene in the US then I read this thread. You’re right the U.S. needs to show more love to SNK fighting games so anyone living in my area I’m hosting a gathering showing off kof 2k2 unlimited & kof xi. C’mon people help out the scene.
I mean, I’m all good for people starting a scene and people caring. I just don’t like it when it’s only dumb people like DG or Webster doing it. Just please don’t be dumb or immature and it should be all good.
I got started into playing KOF around last summer before XII hit and before we found out that XII was just plain bad. Dandy J’s guide help me understand the basics and fundamentals of KOF and I applied myself in the KOF98 rooms on GGPO, pragmatically incorporating each aspect that the tutorial illustrated. I’m just frustrated that no one else seems to be at least playing KOF for the sake of being better at general KOF so when a good game does hit; we’d all have a solid, basic game in which to show others how KOF is really played while slowly integrating the new mechanics that are introduced with the new iteration. It didn’t happen with XII; but, I still continued playing KOF98 the only way I could (as I live in Modesto with no drivers license) and made use of my resources online and playing against people from China/Korean/Japan/Mexico/Turkey/Taiwan/Hong Kong/Canada/etc. I never really saw anyone like me take such an endeavor nor read about players gathering locally trying to develop their own meta game and improving upon themselves to blow up already established players. It’s all stagnation and talking about stupid herp and derp in these forums.
Please, let us just play the game. It’s cool setting up events and what not but I find it pointless if those events are set up by dumb people like DG or the people that play aren’t putting their effort in actually becoming solid and making full uses of their resources. If everything falls on it’s ass again, I’m okay with playing with people on GGPO at 98 that are actually better comp than local Americans.
Note that I was the horse mask guy at EVO that only had problems against foreigners and Mr.KOF at KOF. Goes to show how much I could learn from just a year’s play and GGPO.
Youtube videos like that are part of the reason why I spend my time moreso on International shit.
But basically guys I’m gonna keep it real with you, if you ever wanna hope to compete against the rest of the world in KOF then you all are gonna have to step up your game, so that it won’t be the same old people like AI and me repping the USA against the rest of the world for another decade etc to come.
That means yes while you are playing online that means you have to leave your comfort zone and actually show up to tournaments. Don’t like the level of skill? Understandable, so pick a tournament that has the skill and show up to it. There are tournaments that have the skill level between here and Northern Mexico that those SNK diehards seek, but if you don’t go to those either than it is not helping the scene…
I can create tournaments all day long, set up stuff for you all to attend, put in the games you want, listen to your input, but if you still don’t show up it’s not on me it’s on you guys…
I’m gonna give you all a heads up on something next year, it’s possible a Mexican National Team is gonna come in to the US sometime next year and it’d be nice if they had ample competition from people not from the AI area…lol.
Also to Laban- All I gotta say to you is the same thing I say to everyone else, if you think you can do a better job then believe me it’s yours for the taking…if not then as I say it doesn’t mean much does it?
And sigh you have the nerve to call someone immature but yet post up that video?
Are you serious? Wow this is why I spend my time elsewhere petty shit like this…thanks for reminding me of that…
So Webster when you getting that passport again?
If this thread is gonna be nothing but insults trust me I will have no part of it…I simply don’t see the purpose of it…and quite frankly it just isn’t worthy of my time of day…there are people out there that actually APPRECIATE the hard work people are putting into making shit happen…it may not be EXACTLY the way they want it, but hell they still appreciate the hard work going into things.
Now if we can be CIVIL ABOUT THIS as the guy says without throwing insults then of course we can discuss this, but otherwise this is a waste of my time, it is better served elsewhere…
I agree with that that is part of the stuff I will have no part of, but this goes both ways, there is elitism on both sides of the equation, be it on the Capcom/mainstream or the non-mainstream games. It takes different people to make the world go round, so respect what they like and they will respect what you like. If they still wanna talk shit take the high road and just don’t even give them the time of day, the world is big and thus no need to focus it on petty little stuff that in the big scheme of things is meaningless.
SSF4 for example is not my cup of tea, and in the #capcom thread people were saying how I play games “No one else plays”…that is technically not accurate, as people all over the world play KOF, so while I do not like SSF4, at the same time I respect those that do…to each his or her own.
Respect that I don’t care for SSF4/XYZ Game and I will respect that you do.
I’ve already started doing this here in sweden/europe, I’m trying to get something going here in Sweden to begin with, but I’m recommending XIII to every player I talk too pretty much, a lot of the time they’re aware of it and agree that it looks awesome. I’m also going to try and get people hyped by introducing them to 2002um (which is a great game imo), and posting vids/news about the game in places people are looking.
The best way to get people hyped is to show people that the game is good, expose it as much as possible and that good players are playing/planning on playing it.
I wish the US-scene the best of luck as I hope I’ll be able to come over for next EVO, and I want XIII to be on that EVO line-up by then!
I don’t agree with that, DG and Webster are hard working, passionate players and organizers that actually stand behind their words and promises IN PERSON. And I’m not just saying that because I personally know them, they make shit happen unlike a lot of people here on the forum.
And I think they do put in their effort and make full uses for their resources, it just the players that don’t take advantage of it or appreciate it.
A lot of people talk shit behind people’s backs and online but you gotta give them both props for trying unlike a lot of people.
This is my point to everyone hear me out on this everyone:
**You don’t have to like me. I really don’t care either way if you do or do not. **
But bottom line is I am working hard to make shit happen for you guys, I fulfill my promises, I am a man of my word, I do what I say I am going to do, I give you guys the opportunities to show up to tournaments.
Is everyone gonna like the way I do things?
No.
Could I have done things differently in the past? Absolutely. But I am human like everyone else, I have my own flaws, but if you look beyond all of that you see a person that is STILL trying to promote the scene but you have people here as he says that just take advantage of the situation look for opportunities to badtalk someone on a chat somewhere when they aren’t there, etc etc and quite simply I just don’t have the patience or tolerance for that shit.
Especially when 97% of the time the people doing all the talk haven’t done ANYTHING for the scene whatsoever, I don’t have time for that crap.
Esp. when I can go elsewhere and get shown appreciation for bringing people over, support in regards to people showing up and all of that…it really puts what I see and what Desmond is talking about into perspective…
This is your opinion and that’s fine. But the next time you make statements like these you ask yourself what you have done for this community.
We take a lot of shit from people, and all we’re trying to do is build on the community…and DG in particular tries to make it competitive/exciting for those who are looking to test their worth to SNK/KOF games.
Why is that received so negative?
It’s truly a slap in the face and highly disrespectful to those of us who travel to promote SNK/KOF, who put money into the scene giving it back to the players in one way or another (providing pot bonuses, flying people from out of country to america), and bringing hype in general to advertise it’s worth the effort. AND HAS BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS!!!
So again before you call us dumb and ridicule folks like DG, and say we’re NOT using our sources.
Please look in a mirror. And of course, if you don’t like the way we do things, we encourage you to do a better job.
…but actually try to do something. Don’t talk about it/judge…BE ABOUT IT.
Soon DG, right after my next monthly in August.
I will take full responsibilty for that. I do this more than anyone VS. the SSF4 scene.
And you can definitely call it jealousy. And it’s also because of a scene like that (SSF4)…it makes it really hard for other 2d scenes like KOF…to grow in this country. Especially when you KNOW your game can be just as competitive if not MORE.
But my actions/handlings are/were childish. And I am gonna need to chill out. Maybe accept there are some things I simply can’t change…completely.
And as I told you on the phone Webster and I will say it to everyone here,** the USA is just one country. ** A country that has only been around for 250 years compared to other countries, the world does not revolve around the USA, you need to get a culture shock in another country and it will open your eyes to see how minor the little petty stuff is here in the USA, it will also let you see that not everyone thinks the way the people here in the USA think, matter of fact as I said KOF is the most played fighting game in the world so MOST people don’t think that way, it’s a few countries here and there and compared to the grand scheme of things, in the end it really isn’t that important.
But…
Until you see that in person, you have to deal with the hand that is dealt to you, but I am dealing you a new hand with the passport… I was angry just like you BEFORE I began travelling to Mexico in 2006…because I hadn’t seen the things I saw in person and still see in Mexico and had to deal with the crap I still see here TO THIS DAY. (Which I don’t have to deal with anymore)
Remember when you first saw Mexico from El Paso in February and your comments about America from that ALONE? Imagine if you are actually in Mexico how it will make the stuff here in the USA seem minor in comparison from all fronts…it simply isn’t worth it when people in other countries have less, complain LESS, play MORE, support the scene and stuff like that then you have people here that are another way…
Yeah, I haven’t done shit. I’m a nobody and I just started playing KOF. Just because one actually does something doesn’t necessarily it’s good for the community. There’s “working hard” and then there’s “working smart”. You could put all your drive and passion into something you love but it’ll end up being a miserable pile of pudding that in itself is slipshod and won’t be well received by those expecting a good tournament with proper organization with universally accepted rules. No, those people are only receiving terrible pudding. So am I forced to give respect to their efforts? I could give them that; but, I don’t have to give any sort of respect of the actual results.
In lieu, what DG has done is actually degradation of the SNK community and turning it into some kind of joke in which we have a person that “shouldn’t really have to do anything with competitive fighting games nor the scene” and a guy that actually tried to defend that Geese should be played in 02um. The only reason why people even remotely like DG is because of “hard work”, “doing something”, etc. but not of the actual content of his work. Then it’s worse off that people actually support him and sympathize with his efforts only because of “hard work”. Not even those that actively engage in the Capcom/SF community (Tournament Organization, Stream Management, etc.) don’t even agree with how DG thinks or actually handles the events and his place within the community. With events like these, I’d rather be Angelica and just sit on my ass and watch TV (or play on GGPO). To top it all off, these people think they’re in the right and justify their stupidity with some abstract bullshit like “but I’m doing something and I’m working hard.” Yeah, keep doing on what you’re doing because in the end it’ll do nothing for the community except just alienate it from the rest of the FGC.
I haven’t done anything; but do I want to do anything now for people that don’t really try to make use of their resources or at least exercise basic critical thinking when running events and that some majority of the scene actually supports these people? There must be a reason why people just don’t want to bother and run off to their small local scenes or just play online against people that know what they’re doing and then be contented with getting better. I respect “hard work and effort”; but, I genuflect for properly run tournaments, creation of guides and active engagement in developing strategies, refined and edited match videos (of actual good play) available on the net, and no stupid arguments riddled with fallacies and circular thinking of what and what shouldn’t be banned when it’s particularly clear what the answer is, of trying to blow up Mexicans by bringing whatever Asians over but still not establishing proper evidence and content, wearing stupid attire of your own quotes, spitting into the camera, and whatever other ridiculousness.
I reiterate that I have done nothing, but it didn’t have a backwards effect on the community. All I ask is when you do try to do something, don’t be stupid about it and I’ll give you the respect and support. So if, for example, Team Sp00ky does something on East Coast and does it right; I’d be happy for them and give them support. If the AI Guys create their own organized group (or anyone on West Coast for that matter) and does something positive, not just playing and doing something derpity derp, kudos to them as well. Once I get my shit together, I’d be glad to also participate in setting up events, making video or written guides, and whatever I could but my cards weren’t as dealt as well as others but I will do something. But if the same shit that has been done in the past years persist, then there is just no point. It’s not just about doing something, it’s about how one does it.
In regards of maturity, the video was just tongue-in-cheek satire. I don’t go around saying that I’ll never come back to these forums then actually come back then argue about Mexicans while randomly capitalizing words and making excessive use of punctuation trying to give passionate emphasis but only to come off as obnoxious and inarticulate as well as being booted by MrWizard from IRC; nor do I give pot bonuses to Brawl nor just go on and on about MIRA while not actually having any solid fighting game fundamentals all while making overly generous uses of emoticons and not understanding to stop for the best while many others have told me to do so. Sure all “ad hominems”, but I’m arguing that these people shouldn’t be the ones trying to run the scene because of who they are and inadvertently what they have caused the past years. It’s all good if someone else steps up and does it right, I’ll be right there supporting the effort.
I know Lukus. But I can’t completely give up on the U.S scene. Not saying that you’re asking me to.
But here (in the U.S) is where I live. And it’s here that I want to see a culture shock. A dramatic change across the nation.
Something I envisioned since the glory days of the 90s, in our competitive scene here in the states:
Where all fighting games can coexist. And there’s not a complete dominant fighting game. Forcing our players to pick between “going with the flow”…or to be an individual/outsider having no one to play in the games they enjoy/like.
But for me, this goes into accepting things I can’t change completely.
Well Webster 13 is the only hope for that dramatic change it really is, and a lot of that stems from many different things such as the culture itself, which is something that cannot change. America is more about boobs, big graphics, big guns, etc etc…that will not change, America is a superficial country, so that will not change…so with that said 13 is the only hope in that regard.
Laban- You still haven’t done anything, and as I said before in regards to an SNK community, if you think you can do a better job step up. Anything you say otherwise I feel it isn’t worth me entertaining because you simply aren’t in my shoes so how could you possibly understand the decisions I make?
Now with that said:
I make tough decisions time and time again and have to deal with that and learn from it time and time again, but otherwise people don’t really do anything otherwise, some stick to old school rules when you have consoles that we play now, some think Japan/Asian rules should rule everything when THIS IS NOT ASIA and only reason we should follow ASIAN RULES is if we ARE JOINING WITH ASIA FOR A JOINT TOURNAMENT…otherwise why should we follow Asian ARCADE rules if MOST people aren’t playing the game on the ARCADE.
I am simply not going to get into that debate at all.
As I say if you feel you can do something better feel free to step in my shoes and then have to deal with the aftermath of it. Also in regards to the SNK community as I say that’s on the people that DON’T show up.
As I said I can give people all they want but if they don’t show up that’s on them. They prefer to stay and play online, and I understand it’s convenient and more competition, BUT that does not help the community grow at ALL. When you only have 6 people at a tournament playing I think those SIX should be the ones that have input into the RULES of a tournament, NOT PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING AT HOME NOT GOING.
I seriously think that is a flaw in my reasoning from the past few years, listening to 97% of you people when 3% actually show up even when I give you all what you want.
Why am I wasting my time with this again if people are just gonna stay at home? I won’t do that, nothing anyone does is gonna make a difference!!!
And if you look at HISTORY, HISTORY SAYS THE SAME THING from those that have done the same as me. Let me give you a HISTORY LESSON:
**1. Giby promoted SNK HIS OWN WAY…Ended up same stuff like now and he stopped.
THE ANSWER promoted SNK HIS OWN WAY, and he came to the conclusion I said about people being cheapskates, UNGRATEFUL, Unappreciative thus he STOPPED promoting SNK to this day.
**
Now following in my predecessors footsteps here I am to this day, doing it MY WAY, seeing the SAME ASS SHIT TIME AND TIME AGAIN that they have told me about, but what am I going to do?
I ain’t quitting not at all. I am just REFOCUSING.
I am refocusing my attention on the 3-5% that actually SHOW UP to tournaments, you know the ones that recommend rules and then SHOW UP…those people get WHATEVER RULES THEY WANT…period end of story…they are there playing entering the tournament!
If the community of the other 95% wanna bitch about that I am gonna turn a cold shoulder because THEY WERE NOT THERE…and history says you all have been doing this not only with just me, but with my predecessors before me…so this is NOTHING NEW…
And I know this thus I am redirecting…
*So yes I want to show my appreciation to people like AI and Minnesota that show their support for me even if they dont agree with my decisions and because of that AI and Minnesota are the focal points for the rest of America in regards to SNK tournaments, AI, Minnesota, El Paso are the focal points in America because those people actually show up to tournaments, actually support the scene even if they DO NOT agree all the time.
It’s about uniting as a community putting your differences aside and supporting the games…thus I will go where that support is received/warranted…
Hatred- I’m fine with that trust me, in the position I am in not everyone is going to like you and I am PERFECTLY fine with that…believe you me I am 100% fine with that no questions asked, and I say to those people you can not like me at all, but once again what proof do they have of doing anything for the scene??? At least I am trying…what are they doing??? That should end the discussion right then and there…
I’d rather someone say it to my face like Laban did (Props and respect to that) THAN GO BEHIND MY BACK TALKING SHIT LIKE LITTLE PUNKS on some chat…**real men don’t talk behind peoples backs…they talk IN PERSON OR TO THE PERSON.
**
I have a question. Now, I really like Melty Blood Actress Again. How come that game beat KOFXII at EVO? How come that game appears to have more support and players in the USA than KOF? What is their secret?
DG: Thanks for the MN props! We try as hard as we can even tho we are little.
Well it’s really hard to please everyone in the first place. And our scene for SNK/KOF isn’t big enough to say anything is standard ATM for freestyling based on location/situation is the way to go…to please everyone involved.
What people are receiving “terrible pudding”? We have ran tons of tournaments and we’ve had more postive feedback than negative.
Hit us with facts before making assumptions like that. The only issue I’m remotely aware of is when DG and Keits had a misunderstanding at EVO, and Keits was DQ’ed.
Oh not this again.
Look man. Not everyone in this country is keen on following Japanese arcade rules when we DON’T HAVE AN ARCADE SCENE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. If console characters aren’t proven to be broken, why ban them? Doesn’t matter is it’s reg. character, sub-boss, or boss. You need to test them, and test them at tournaments, before you make rulings. Why is it so hard for people to understand that.
And for the record, no one has EVER givin a legitiment reason why Geese and Goenitz should be banned in 2k2UM.
What are you gonna do when KOFXIII is released on console, U.S doesn’t have an arcade scene ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR THAT GAME, and there are console characters?
You going to ban them right away (boss or not)?
So we’re leaving up to you to speak for everyone else? I honestly feel there are those who don’t like DG, simply because their friends don’t like him…for whatever reason…just to be doing something. “Following a trend” so to speak. It’s pretty common in todays society…or on SRK :lol:. Maybe people don’t like him because he doesn’t support SSF4. Is that a good reason to not like someone? Some people here think it is.
There’s your “joke”.
Yeah because clearly traveling to other countries or other parts of the States: to strictly support a passion that you enjoy and want to encourage people to play the games you love… IN PERSON - isn’t hard work? Where you use your own money and pay for people from ACROSS THE FUCKING WORLD to not only hang out and play the games you love but to provide an opportunity of competition to test their worth against other countries - ISN’T HARD WORK? Where you do months of planning, conjure up staff members…pay them, and all the task/stress that a tournament organizer deals with - ISN’T HARD FUCKING WORK?
Do you think Mr. Wizzard, the Cannon Bros., Shin Blanka, Fugee/Galeon, Keits or anyone who spends times/money/energy on getting their respective major events organized, carried out, and accomplished - AREN’T WORKING HARD??? :annoy:
They could not be appreciative/agreeance/or whatever because he doesn’t support Capcom. Ever think of that? Regardless of how you/they feel, this is one man doing so much. And at first, it was him doing this by HIMSELF FOR YEARS. There are more people who truly appreciate DG and all his efforts than you think (not that you care obviously). And those are the people I/we focus on. And we still try to reach out to everyone though. Again we’re not going to make everyone happy. Going up against the SF community to gain some recognition for SNK/KOF isn’t the easiest task either. Since the scene is so small. We DON’T have much support.
I mean it’s not like we have a “Seth Killian for SNK” do we? :rolleyes:
Well that’s exclusively up to you. But like I said, and I’m going to continue to say…
IF YOU DON’T DO ANYTHING…THEN YOUR COMPLAINTS ARE JUST AS WORTHLESS AS YOUR EFFORT!
Well hype is generated in a variety of ways. But those were DG ways of generating that. What have you done for your local scene? Again if you don’t have an answer…then I dunno what to tell you. This community is NOT ONE FUCKING PERSON. It’s only ONE FUCKING PERSON…who is ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING AT THE MOMENT. If more people did something, they hey guess what…
not everyone would be focusing on DG.
I’m apart of this community and you sure have made an impact on me. You’re very disrespectful to my efforts and to the integrity of the scene. You make people not even want to give a fuck anymore. That vid you posted that had me and DG tagged in it…was the lowest of lows.
But guess what…I’m still here and I am still trying. What are you doing?
They have the special privilege of local support (SNK AI…potential Sp00ky). I am hella excited for them as well. Seems like you want to finally contribute…good for you. :tup:
DG’s actions here I’ll let him comment. But as for me…
Brawl got pot bonuses because in my local community (and surrunding areas) for the tournaments I run…the Brawl players are the most supportive. Do you find fault in that?
On MIRA. I like MIRA…sue me.
You don’t know me well enough to say if I have “solid fundumentals” or not.
You simply don’t like us, hence the statement. I could give a fuck less tbh. But all in all…before you open your mouth. Look in a mirror. Is all I have to say to you.
If you were someone else I was quoting…I’d be a bit nicer about it.
