You’ve put into words my exact thoughts.
The point is people do not travel long distances to play people they play with all the time in round 1. The only argument in favor for not seeding is in the hopes that they get lucky enough to place “well”. There is much less incentive for players to travel to tournaments that don’t seed if they can just travel to one that does.
Yes the name of the game is competition. It is funny that you spill this type of bullshit out of your mouths about how seeding is bad and only bad players cry about seeding - when in turn you are no worse than the ones suggesting we seed. Players X say Hey lets seed. Players Z say LOL LETS NOT SEED. YOU SHOULD BE GOOD ENOUGH TO NOT WORRY ABOUT SEEDING.
Well if seeding in reality doesn’t matter, why are players Z so enthusiastic about NOT seeding? If you guys think that seeding doesn’t matter to champions then why are you arguing about it? If you personally don’t think it matters then you should be apathetic about seeding being taken place.
This whole argument is fucking retarded and no good player here has given good reason for why seeding is bad.
You don’t know shit about how brackets can work if you think this. If brackets are not seeded that means all the bad players can be at the top and all the good players on the bottom halfs giving some random fucktard a lucky free 3rd place. If you have never ran a tournament you probably don’t know this. If you’ve even looked at a tournament bracket before and don’t realize this you are straight retarded.
I’m not sure I’d say what Mike said in so many words or with so much abrasion 
, but I definitely agree. If you’ve never run a tournament, or haven’t been to more tournaments than your fingers can count, you probably shouldn’t go talking about how seeding is detrimental. Seeding prevents good players from knocking themselves out early on so that they can play each other later in the tournament for more exciting matches.
Imagine if jwong played john choi and the winner of this played combofiend vs valle. You just sent 3 players who could all win the entire tournament to losers bracket simply cause you fucked up. Fighting out of losers is always difficult, especially since SF4 is so nub friendly. Definitely not the responsible thing to do as a tournament organizer.
rule 1) no playing people of the same area code first round unless it’s unavoidable due to #'s
rule 2) seed players who consistently win the tournament or people who won it the week before
If I hadn’t had seeded people at Fudrucker’s a few months back, the amount of good matches probably would’ve been cut down at least 1/3. Too many times good people would play each other early, effectively killing late tournament hype.
Specifically for the City tourneys though, is it really that important to seed? I mean, I usually get seeded against Korea, Pieguy or Tinh first/second round all the time (Because I suck.) That sucks for me, because I don’t play the Sac guys ever, except for these tourneys. I don’t think they really do either, seeing as how there aren’t really any postings for sessions or anything. It’s just the City weeklies. Devastation needs to be seeded. Fuddrucker’s needs to be seeded. But the City? We all play each other every week anyways, why not mix it up with just pure random seeding? I feel like I’ve seen a lot of repeating match ups over the weeks.
I wouldn’t mind if we got rid of seeding by placement, but seeding by region is pretty important to me.
Pieguy and I work on campus, thxyoutoo and other people from Davis are taking classes on campus. We see each other 3~4 times a week and play at the MUGA or at Drom’s or at someone’s house. We don’t want to drive 30 minutes out of town and have to play people we play all the time. If anyone comes to our Davis tourneys from out of town with friends, I do whatever I can to make sure they don’t play each other.
I’ve changed the bracket mid-tourney when two people that know each other had to face each other early in the losers bracket. I also change the bracket if you end up playing a person that had already beaten you (unless it’s losers finals).
Wow, I think I might of misread Omega Blue’s post. What I took from it was "Stop complaining about seeding/ no seeding - it doesn’t matter who you face, just play your best. Maybe I misinterpreted x_x
Hey, this was a great example. Makes it crystal clear. The rule guidelines you gave were simple and made sense, too.
Don’t really feel qualified to answer this… maybe someone can help out with this one?
This seeding business is deeper than I thought o_o.
the only way you can get around this is to not specify an area code. that way you can increase the chance of playing against a non-davis player by adding 916 players into the option. i’m sure there’s a lot of 916 you dont’ normally play against, so it’d prolly be in your favor.
then again, it’s also up to the person running the tourney (romeo) on whether or not he’ll allow non-specified area code.
i tried to do this at munchies, but tyram (u asshole XD) put me down as 916 even tho ii casual a lot against davis. and honestly at this point, you just have to suck it up and play. all these stuff are minor because tourney results will always have a range of results. sometimes you get farther than normal, sometimes you get shit last. getting better to place consistantly higher and beat ppl you seen to always play against should be your goal in tournies. of course it never hurts to joke around about how “brackets are rigged” but this topic looked like it kind of got out of hand.
in small tournies, seeding top 4 makes sense. increase the top seeds based on how big the tourney gets so you avoid getting equally high skilled players knocking each other out in the early rounds.
rest of the tourney seeded by location is courtesy. and like some people mentioned, it helps keep the players coming since they wont’ be mad that they have to play their friends after driving X miles to get there.
i was unclear. my post was directed to the sac/davis scene as a whole, which from what i understand is rather small. i was in no way talking about how to run tournaments in general. obviously if you have out of town guests, consistent top 3 finishers, and high profile players, you seed. obviously if its a large 100+ man tourney with heavy hitters from all over norcal you seed. in a small tourney where the ability gap is rather close, personally i see no reason to make a big deal about seeding. i never said its bad, just unnecessary. if choi and combofiend show up, thats a different story.
personally id find more satisfaction by making my way through a small tournament fighting whoever, friend or stranger, and making it work for me… instead of overseeding, and going up, what … one or two spots on the bracket only to lose to someone i’d probably lose to anyway? its about top 3. not top 16 (unless youre talking massive 100+ man tourney). back in the OG gameroom days, everyone had to travel 20-40 minutes to get to folsom, and often times you had to play the guy you arrived with first round. no one complained. and thats when sac/davis was a force in mvc2. the sac/davis fighting community these days, although growing, is still small. everyone is good at SF4 and fact is, you are going to fight the same people over and over again. does it truly matter when? brackets are brackets. and hey, like life, inevitably you wind up in the black bracket of death. deal with it. its the only way to get better. regardless if you play someone all the time in casual, what matters is how you perform under pressure. some people get better some people get worse. its crazy how under tournament stress your training buddy all of a sudden gets a lot stronger. fighting through that is what levels you up.
i needn’t discuss my qualifications to have an opinion on this issue… ive done my fair share of participating in, running, and winning tournaments. back when this region was a threat.
from an og - just represent.
sac and davis deserve a chance to relive the glory days. id love to see you guys put this region back on the map.
dam this thread gt crazy anyhow i dnt care hoo i play, i just suk on those old 19 inch fishbowl tvs lol, romeo leme warm up this sat so i can adjust to the non lag tvs? also my parts should b in this week u wanna help me at the city or at my spot?o ya im makn plans to get ryu tatted also lol,call me crazy
I see. But, I’m 530 as well. So… o_0
And for clarification, I’m not super ant-seeding. I was simply saying that maybe a little variety would be nice. I know I was griping in my last post, but right now at least, for me it doesn’t really matter who I go against. I have to improve many aspects of my game before I start winning enough to complain.
Then why do you jerkfaces keep getting to finals!? 
Lol I second that!
-Romeo
Is it possible if I could use my gaming headphones when I play at the tournament? I get really nervous when I play and I’m trying to find ways to calm my nervs.
that seems a lil bit much lol how bout ipod or sumn?
THese gaming headphones are legit. They arent your crapy turtle beach headphones that break. These are Astro gaming headphones. I bought them when I was into Halo 3. I’ll try them out on my PS3 to see if I can get audio out from my headphones and the tV at the sametime.
i’m sure if the tv can still pump out sound at the same time nobody would care. but if the sound only comes from your headphones and the other player is left with no sound it would cause some troubles. How would it work, exactly?
Rival - that would probably work but I would recommend just continue playing as you are. Go to more tournies, keep at it and the nerves will go away. In the long run it will be the most beneficial to your game.
Yeah, how would it work? I see no problem if it doesn’t interfere with the sound coming out of the TV. But…
I agree too. You’re also robbing yourself of the atmosphere of the battle :D. If you zone everything/else out, you’re missing part of the tourney experience, I say.
Either way, as long as it doesn’t interfere with other players’ sound, I’m ok with it. But I recommend against it.
Actually if he has a setup that enables headphones and tv speakers I’d be interested in using it myself. It would be easier to play the game with clearer sound in all honesty!
Off topic: Anyone have any XBL time cards you wouldn’t mind sharing? Even the 48 hour trials? I’m having withdrawals 
Why not play on PSN o_o?
Because I don’t have a PS3?