EL Fuerte's Revenge! ala improvement thread

No, I agree with you, the number 132 doesn’t line up with typical damage values in SF4; they always end in either 5 or 0. You will start getting wonky numbers like that once late game damage handicaps take effect, so I’m hoping that explains it. Like others have mentioned, I can’t see why they’d choose to nerf Tortilla in particular, kind of dumb. Either way, 950 HP is pretty godlike, I’m happy with that. 500 damage for full Ultra makes me jizz uncontrollably though. A full Flying Giga Buster currently does 518, which isn’t much of a reason to choose it over Ultra Spark, considering Ultra Spark works just as well in punishing jumps. If anything it works better for punishing jumps considering you have more time to visually confirm them.

For a tough match up like Balrog, Ultra 2 will be completely indispensable. Think about it; what can Balrog do to approach a turtling Fuerte with U2? Jumping is out of the question because U2 will snipe it. Virtually all of his rush punches are -3 on block, and the ones that are safe can be reacted to and punished. His main long range pokes, far st. roundhouse and cr. roundhouse are both -4 on block, so he can’t touch the roundhouse button without eating 500 damage. Oh. My. God. And when you take into account that focus attacks are faster, which obviously means we’ll be using them more, it isn’t unreasonable to assume that Fuerte will be able to build two Ultras every round. That will be my gameplan against every projectile character for as long as I can manage it; force them to approach me and do dumb shit because they don’t want me farming for Ultra from full screen. This is why Ultra II complements Fuerte’s turtle style to a tee.

Partly why the current top tier characters are so strong is because the mere threat of their Ultras controls the tempo of the match. Ultra Spark fulfills that criteria perfectly.

R.I.P. Flying Giga Buster, 2008 - 2010

I guess I’ll see you then. Can’t wait. Maybe I’ll get to see you guys someday.

tortilla nerf and ultra spark jumping on reaction makes me sad. He seems to have gotten better, but he was Fuerte tier! beggers can’t be choosers though :D. i’m still happy with how it’s turned out.

Also, apparently rush punches can’t get grabbed in ssf4. That doesn’t include…say…ultra spark’s grab right? tortilla grab?

who says they cant be grabbed? im sure they still will be throwable…

btw: so happy with the HP buff, i dont need anything else :smiley:

Ultra Spark isn’t meant to be a 720-like 1-frame move. In fact, that’s actually part of what makes it so good. It’s a double quarter motion that sends Fuerte sliding long the ground at high speed to grab his opponent low, allowing us to punish big at close/mid range or snipe jumpers landing a couple of character lengths away. It appears we’ll be able to catch neutral jumpers with it similar to the way we caught fools with SPD. Also, last I checked it went under firbalz, right? And it looks so fast that if they try to FADC for the juke, it might still catch them. Who knows. Fast travelling, obscene damage, awesome animation? Sign me up.

yeah i know, i know kicks dirt shucks. i just wanted it to be true. at least when they’re right in your face. it’s still gonna be powerful. i play a lot of Boxer too though, and apparently his dirty bull can be jumped out of on reaction and honda’s can’t. i’m still excited though!

rumors in the balrog super thread. i really don’t want to dig, but that’s the word on the street from testers iirc.

super excited!! very stoked on this current news although tortilla should have been left alone! but o well. i think U2 is gonna be dope and like it was mentioned above! we will have all day to confirm the jump and punish. i hated bein caught off gaurd when someone would jump and i would miss catching them with U1 by just a few frames!! oooooo the goodness that awaits us in SSF4!!! all this time ive spent using this guy makes me feel even better thinkin of wats to come!! ooo ya and im down to meet u guys at evo! i believe ill be there with a bunch of friends!

KumaOso, gracias, te entend perfectamente :wink:

I hope that the value of tortilla (132) is only as a “testing value” or something, I think that 150 is correct. But guacamole now is better, so maybe they want to nerf tortilla.
Also, Ultra Spark pass clean under fireballs in close/mid range, so no problem on catch fireball spammers on reaction (close/mid range)

Fuerte “slide glitch” vs Fuerte still working, so they did not fix this issue.

Guys, about Balrog throws under rush punches, you still can, so I assume that is fake or it was on previous build, Balrog still exactly same as SFIV and dirty bull is easy to escape on reaction. But now, when he does a rush punsh for fun to make pressure, he can eat a ultra spark for free as reversal :wink:

Another general thing in that build.

Some info about some chars.

-Ken is faster, better dashes, better hadouken, and the crouch roundhouse is very fast as ryu.
-Zangief still 1200 HP, also, using lariat it has a little invincible frames in his legs, so you need to wait a little to punish him
-Sagat still 1100 HP, but low, medium hard uppercut has only 100 damage, but using EX new movement, he can do 180 damage. Sagat is nerfed, but still very strong.
-Honda, using ex seems that he can pass under fireballs :wow:
-Viper 950 stamina, and its medium thunder knuckle seems to be same or very same like SFIV.

Not much more to add about SFIV chars, we need to wait to the final release.

About game

  • All chars unlocked (nothing new)
  • When you play whit a char, you get colors, so, if you fight with Fuerte some fight, is easy to have color 1 to 10 in few minutes
  • You can choose any normal/trial when you want, there is no normal/hard trial, it’s only 24 trials, an you can do tHE last one without doing the first one.
  • You can listen original songs about every char when fighting, instead of the song of that stage.

If I can go to that home another day to play SSFIV and I see another issues, I will tell you!

Hasta luego amigos!

Bummer that Sagat and Gief’s HP didn’t change, that would’ve been a nice bonus in those matchups. Definitely not complaining about 9Fiddy though, that’ll help on its own.

Just to clarify, hp of sagat and gief did in fact get changed. Sagat has 1050 hp and zangief has less hp too (not sure how much tho). Theelions we tested it properly when you left, they have less hp now =D

And definetly, ultra spark is just amazing. It will make elf a very strong character.

Good news then!

Thanks for new information.

Nos vemos Sharin :wink:

This thread is hype! I am so excited! thanks everyone for the great info :smiley:

So is it confirmed that Fuerte has 950 hp? and is tortilla really nerfed (since 132 is a very strange number)? I would really appreciate confirmation if possible. Also, are there any info regarding Fajita buster and/or Qbomb? Are they exactly the same?

@WarioMan: Welcome to our spicy community :slight_smile:

Well, that information is based on the latest build, maybe it will change in the final build of course.

Yep, El Fuerte has 950 in that build, but capcom has the official word.

About fajita & Qbomb, they are the same, same damage. I have tested all normals (including damage), and I only appreciate difference on Tortilla & guacamole, the rest is exactly (same damage) as SFIV.

@Threelions: Thanks a lot man, really appreciate the info and the blazing fast response :smiley:

Would love to see a clear picture of his alt. costume soon hopefully, it looked nice from that blurry pic.

I was hoping they changed sorbat, to make it useful. Guess not though. Can’t really complain, I guess capcom doesn’t want anyone to use it. Hah

finally! Valle to the rescue, talking about el fuerte changes and frame data [media=youtube]3hrsn7176xi[/media]

The video isn’t there.

The video does not exist, because it’s clearly a joke and he uses an incorrect link because upper/lower letters are important using a url…

On the other hand Heroicmedic33, Dictator was nerfed a lot on SSFIV and this is not a joke, sorry if it’s your main character. Anyway, it has an excellent ultra 2 against shotos.

He wants to put this one:

(do not rick roll, DON’T CLICK THE LINK PLEASE!)
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:smiley:

How is Bison nerfed?Have you guys played sakura?

In regular SF4 could you combo st. lp into cr. mk? Shiet