all i have to say is … eagle a-groove, that guy is crazy with his guard break wich sets up some of the best a-groov combos possible. I went to the metro mall over the weekend (in pheonix)
and there was this cat using a-groove eagle-sakura-kyo (all hella crazy with a-g) he sluaghtered me the first time , but i almost had him 2 times after words just caus of my sweeping technique (most people dont ever expect 3 sweeps in a row from joe)
anyways now i started using a-groove bison (i can connect a 74 hit combotaking around 10000 damage) anyway i hope to challenge him again, any tips for crushing his a-g eagle?
Hibiki’s scary. This matchup is a turtle fest, imo. Both characters are at a disadvantage attacking. Both characters have good distancing pokes (as well as distance pokes too) and a way to create distance without poking (Eagle hop back, hibiki dodgexxhopback with random attack… usually fierce or roundhouse)
You can take a good amount of damage by keeping her out. But if she gets in she got some crazy confusion shit going on. (Ie ambiguous j.roundhouse ->, close s.fierce/bnb/throw/activate… and lots more… but I dont play her so I cant give details… I never know what this bitch is doing when she activates…)
Try to keep her out of her c.fierce range, (its the one where she crouches low and her sword arc’s up). Shes got a slow roll, so your sweep is fairly safe (although with this thing its never 100%). Her s.mp is longer range, so keep this in mind too, but eating a few mp is better than a c.fierce 
Bait jump ins, and punish, especially against a/c/s-groove where its a no brainer to punish (c.fierce). People often feel the need to jump when they are expecting a sweep and are annoyed at not being able to get in. So watch out for jumpins just outside your sweep range… you will see them walk into it traying to bait a sweep…
Jumping puts you at a huge disadvantage too. I would suggest not jumping unless its an ambiguous crossup… and even then you still may get hit… jumping when you are too close for her far s.fierce to work is good, because it gives you a chance to counter hit her close.sfierce (the double slash)
Again, imo this matchup is a poke and keep away game, but if one character gets in with momentum (especially with bar) then they can inflict some huge damage.
Watchout for her RC wakeups - ie the qcb (or hcb??) + p, then the ground slash follow up… getting this done on you while trying to do a meaty attack is not very much fun 
Hibikis throw has less range than eagles in terms of pixels. She’s got to be pretty close to throw eagle. So eagles got a bit of advantage on throws.
EDIT: (I tried to keept his as non groove specific as possible…)
once A-hibiki has meter and if she jumps, RC lariat every time. that’ll beat out the cute little trick of jump (hope for crouching fierce) and activate into CC.
and i’ve never faced a good hibiki with my eagle, so i’m not gonna try to play theory fighter.
Very intrested in the direction this thread has taken. Hibiki and eagle are my 2 fav fighters on my A-team. O and apoc, thanks for the mpXXrush shit, it works like a charm. Now if i could only rc ANYTHING i might be good 
Thank u for contributing.
undeadgeist1942/ popoblo:- Ever since the game came out, i never (too rearly might be the correct word) use other grooves, i don’t like them. P-groove suits my eagle.:rolleyes: lol. However, i will let my friend know about your A/rc groove tips.
Gwai Lo :
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Watchout for her RC wakeups - ie the qcb (or hcb??) + p, then the ground slash follow up… getting this done on you while trying to do a meaty attack is not very much fun
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Yes that is not fun at all. :bluu:
Anyway gentlemen, I have been thinking of recording some of my matches and post them online. Its just for u guys to point out my mistakes. Could be entertaining to watch my scrubness.
Thanks again
P.S: Thought of Maki and Rc Zangief? Will discuss later
What about my Ken! He’s not good enough.? K… I make him better.!
Guy… It kinda rare to hear advise on Eagle fighting Maki ,or RC grief. You probally know better than anyone else lol. :o oh yeah … scrubs dont play P eagle :lame: It would be cool to host some of MD matches… Ask OBOT64 nicely he might host. OR your boy Tyranidman? Meh
ON Maki VS Eagle… close your eyes and prey/ RC grief VS Eagle just… “Press START”! sorry dont mean to Spam Eagle thread.
BUMB good thread.
Eagle Is not top tier because he dosent have a cross up.:o Kidding.No defence
yea, ask obot64 (his aim sn). hopefully he can find some room for a few of your matches. it’s always nice to see eagle footage because that is BARELY any online. old apoc midwest championship footage (which he says he was high/faded during it), random arturo matches, and that’s about it.
otherwise, send it to me on aim, my sn is delarocha53, then i’ll put it in my folder and we’ll spread it via go for broke hub.
peace
Damn it, maki can run, run, run. Rc 360 kick for gief is very good and his rc lairat too. Eagle’s counter moves works okay for against his lariat. Then there is the setup for 720, a knock down then rc Palm move. And many other BS RC move.
That remains me of sagat with small jump mk. Eagle, high counter does not catch the kick, property is really akward. Standing mp is does not really cut it too. Espeacially k-groove sagat when raged, small jump all day trying to catch u with super.
Use the RC lariat for all small jumps. Against gief your laughing with eagle his standing normals and c.RH are too good, as well as the fact you can RC the lariat if he gets restless and jumps in.
Zangief VS. Eagle is a really fun match up. You will probally never see it though… who plays Zangief?/seriously? I wonder if Gunter played any Eagle’s with his RC Grief?.. Meh…
They have a funny entro. Both have RC lariats:p
I never really got my ass beat by any Eagle player when I have Zangief.:o :lame:
I will tell you one thing… Dont jump! You cant jump in on Grief at all. It’s like free damage. RC glowing fist,lariats,360kick/AA super, plus really good AA normals. Zangief has the “AA” game on lock!
But the thing is… It kinda hard for Gief to jump in on eagle too.
It should be a poke fest/ground game battle.
I think It’s a hard match for both characters. But I think Zangief come out on top… Just because his RC’s are way to powerful.
It also depend on which player has better footsies
I challange any Eagle Vs my Zangief at EVO 2004… I will even play for money if you guy’s want to spice thing up. 
Assuming that Evo won’t leave out games, I’ll be there. I’m assuming anyway.
That means that I accept your challenge and will bet $20-100 per round up to 5 games. It’s up to you on the bet price but I’d appreciate it being stipulated before we play.
Heheh, Eagle can’t jump at Gief? K.
You mention RCing so that’s an easy C,A or N groove assumption. I’ll be using C.
I’ll reply now and then to see what’s going on:)
Apoc.
It would be an honor. I will accept your challange Apoc.
I guess their is a first time for everything.
100 bones. Your probally use to that… ahh la VAGAS.
My money dosent grow on trees for me.though.
I will bet you 100 ,but I wont be able to make any other side bets.:lame: I know their will probally be tons of guy wanting to take my monies.
Ill still Bet you 100… if I dont get any other challanges.
It’s a while tell EVO… we can work it out fosho.
HEy!.. come to think of it… if I happen to win Ill have 200 bone’s to bet with.
You got a deal… I wont back out on you POC. It would be pleasure.
On another note. What do you guy think of Eagle VS. Zangief,Besides… (Eagle should be laughing a Grief with his pokes/ RC lariat) Do you guy have any other input on the match up. I would say it’s really even. Eagle should do well. But It seem like a counter match for Eagle… :o(insert flame here) :o
I need to travel an play more people…but Zangief seem to win most of the time from what Ive seen/done.
completely off subject
Eagle’s lk rush attack is 100% SAFE IF BLOCKED, it can’t even be hit by reversal gigaton, MegaP, or SonicH. It’s also hard to uppercut after the first blocked hit, free chip! Does Eagle’s HP lariet have lag if some who blocks it ( who can’t duck it), ex. Raiden, Gief, Geese?
I you Practice Reversing Hcf lk rush. Its gets easier to reverse.
You have to be ready for it though. Blanka can even level 1 ball(It trades though)/ back hop the move. Grief can lp 360 ,or even 720 after the first hit of the lk rush.
Iam interested about the Fp lariats chiping Grief,Raiden/BIG MEN.
I think It leave’s Eagle at a safe distance ,but Iam not sure…
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Yeah eagles HP lariat will leave him safe from attack after chipping Zangief with it (however Im pretty sure Zangief can FAB if eagles ends it too close).
I can use both Zangief and eagle and I really feel that the whole match up revolves around who has a better more effective ground game (since both characters have amazing rc lariats as anti-airs). They both have amazing range, but I think the overall speed of eagles pokes gives him the upperhand. I really have no probs fighting zangief with eagle.
No D can I take you up on that bet too at next evo or wherever?
I thought eagles FP lariat has a gap in the middle? I have only tried it once or twice and it seems to go 1-2 pause 1-2…
Actually, now that I think of it I think from point-blank range it’s 1-2-3-4 pause 5. I can uppercut after the first hit, cause I practice thing like that alot, but most people don’t. The timing is stricter than the mk and rh versions, I was just surprised he can’t get hit after he is done.
I don’t use Rc groove. Only P-groove. I know RC lariat for eagle is good. Thanks anyway
… cool
That makes two of us^ I accept:)
We can work it out when ever…I know EVO is miles away ,but if lose…Ill buy you a 40…(Steel Reserve) on the house.
It would be an honor. I will accept your challange Apoc.
Right on:) Gotta find a good Gief to practice against! Hard to come by here. I’m po myself. Vegas has no luck for me:(
I think Eagle has the superior pokes and supers. I like Gief actually, just not in this match. Eagle can attack while jumping from farther and still combo whereas that won’t happen as often with Gief. Eagle can jump from outside of lariet range and combo Gief if he RCs. He can hit or go over the kick supers pretty safely as well. Air to Air, I think Eagle wins, even C vs C. Counterhits are also more in Eagle’s favor. He can dash and combo whiffed RHs from Gief so it’s less likely for Gief to knock down than viceversa, I think. It really comes down to supers though. Which sux to me but most newer games completely revolve around the meter, heheh. Gief, imo, doesn’t have mistake-punishing supers. Maybe the kick one for a poor jump perhaps, but Eagle’s got it all over him there. You can’t really see Eagle whiff a normal and do 50% to him whereas Eagle can. I see the match as being more like 65-35 in Eagle’s favor.
I don’t take Gief lightly at all. I just really feel that Eagle should win the match more often than not. If Gief gets his supers in…it’s all good and even, because, Eagle will get his supers in(assuming no messed up combos). If gief can’t land any supers, it’s an uphill battle it seems.
Thanx for the challenge:) Hmmm. Challenges make Evo sound more fun already. I should think up some of my own:)
Evo may seem far away but, when you’re an ol fogey, like me, time moves faster. 8 months? Shoooot that’s like 35 paychecks MAX. That’s in no time!
Apoc.