theres alot of things you can get away with due to online lag, online games can lag as much as 1f to 5f, and that 1f is huge, you make 1 mistake to mistime a meaty attack or mistime a frame trap, or mistime a full punish or even mistiming a option select, can completely turn the game around. not to mention blocking online on reaction is nearly impossible,
lets face it online is user free, to many shit you can get away with, just way to many, to be really taken serious, but its fun to play sometimes
sure they work both ways to players. but if your opponent has completely no clue how the frame data is used, but you do, then you will be at a handicap
its not just about links, option select, meaty, frame trap, and ect… something you cannot really practice online
“it doesn’t matter” are you serious? did you have alot of crack this morning or just a lil bit
learning match up is not jus about knowing how you play the game generally ( zoning, midscreen, rushdown )
it alot deeper than that, its completely taking all the options away from your opponent and knowing your opponent option against you at every situation, with these 1-5frame lag, can be huge, frame trap, option select, meaty and etc. frame counting is useless online
You’re right. Since online isn’t perfect, it’s a useless way to learn the game. It’s not like people do option selects, frame traps, meaties, or 1 frame links online.
^ I agree for the most part however if the connection is decent and your opponent isnt too far out you can have some decent games.
Anyway I do believe that Viper and Akuma are bad match ups for Sagat. Although I was listening in on Armshouse stream a while back and I cant fully recall who was saying this but I agree with what they said, namely that any character that can neutralize Sagat’s zoning game is at advantage against him, whilst in Vanilla there werent any major ones that did that ( aside from Akuma and Viper ) but thanks to additions since then for eg. Ken in vanilla was pretty free for sagat even if you take away damage ( yeh step kick was annoying and hell it still is but st forward beats it ) but suddenly he gets U2 and now match up gets a bit more interesting, now suddenly Sagat doesnt get to throw ts at mid screen anymore and has to anticipate jump ins. Not saying matchup has suddenly shifted in Kens favor but just that there are more factors than before. Viper in general is annoying imo, any character that can cover the whole screen and mix up is crazy good, not mentioning her ultra damage coupled with the ability to land it virtually from anywhere without the use of meter is crazy, but recently I’ve been seeing more and more videos of Vipers losing to Sagats, maybe shes figured out ? I can see that happening since she hasnt changed much since vanilla.
^^ Eh, there are probably 3x as many Vipers now than there was a year ago. That is certainly a character that gets better with time spent. But have to give Les props vs krone. But just couldn’t shake the feeling I was rooting for the Mavs in a set vs the Heat…
In Japan they feel the Viper vs Sagat match is 5/5…I’d like to get in on that haha.
My opinion of Sagat’s bad(or unfavourable, doesn’t have to be bad i.e 5.5/4.5) matches and can be backed up if anyone wants to know why…
Akuma- His worst match IMO
Ken + Ryu…Slightly in their favour, more so in Kens.
Viper, she bodies saga…err everyone on wake up, can essential kill you with one mistake, Sagat’s hit box sure doesn’t help.
Dhalsim…Slightly in Sim’s favour, it’s still a match where Sagat has to do a lot more thinking and a lot more work than Sim IMO
Fei Long, Sagat’s second worst match-up in my opinion. He does more damage than you, his normals are better than yours, his combo potential is far safer and greater than yours and he excels at cornering Sagat.
Ibuki, I really have no fun in this match-up, I don’t like the quick guesses game over shit.
Abel, it’s 6/4 sagat until Abel gets ultra 1
Guy, Sagat’s hit box is Guy’s wet dream and he has uppercut baits for days.
In saying that thats not a terrible list and nothing is worse than 6.5/3.5 so im happy.
I don’t think Ibuki is that hard, if you can block the vortex she aint got jack after that, Wouldn’t say Ryu or Ken either.
Dudley on the other hand was like he was designed to piss Sagat off. Don’t have much experience against Abel. Flong is hard but manageable. I’d agree with Akuma, although the spam tastic st.hk nerf should help us out.
I don’t think Ibuki beats any char. She isn’t like Viper or Gouki where she invalidates Sagat as a char.
She actually even that good of a char imo tool-wise.
Japan is on crack as far as Viper vs Sagat goes. I will NOT budge on that. Come on guys seriously. Look at her tools. She nullifies his whole game. You are reduced to neutral jumping with fierce normals and empty jump blocking with the occasional tiger shot for chip in order to get a lead. Which btw could lead to death because if Viper calls your TS and burn kicks you then say hi to Vortex. You could get killed just for attempting to do some chip. Sagat CAN fuck her wake-up though which is the only reason I can see as Japan calling it even but even then imo its still 5.5/4.5 her favor or even 6/4 because her comeback potential and damage potential both exceed Sagat’s and she doesnt give a damn about his zoning.
Sagat vs Abel I think is dead even. Sagat has advantage when Abel doesn’t have Ultra and when Abel does have ultra Abel has advantage. But then I never had any reservations about throwing down with Abel up close. His buttons really aren’t good overall and his wake-up is quite poor.
Guy is another one who just dies when you rush him. Footsies wise he can hurt you because button-wise he is similar to Juri in that many of his buttons can beat yours, but that poor wake-up hurts him. Guy gets past zoning fast, but if you get that knockdown it doesnt take much to dismantle him and he needs EX meter for a threatening reversal. I felt more scared of him in Super cuz Bushin Flip could grab crouchers, but he’s gonna get that back in the update so I guess it’s a moot point.
Also 6.5/3.5 is quite bad and a match like that you probably should be counter picking. Only match I feel that way about though is Viper.
Think about that. Take ANY match-up list with a grain of salt and always remember to think for yourself and don’t be afraid to challenge something or someone and have your own opinion. The most important thing is to understand. Without understanding there can be nothing else. No growth as a player and nothing else that would spring forth from that growth.
What is their justification for putting rose ahead of sagat? I’d love to believe that sagat loses every match-up, but I generally believe that he wins every match-up where the opponent doesn’t have a 5 frame or faster invincible reversal 5.5-4.5 at least. On a knockdown, what can rose do? She has a weird hitbox for tigerknees, but her only invincible reversal loses to an OS block and leaves her at like -4 or 5.
I would imagine Akuma, Dhalsim, and Vega might be less favorable matchups for 'Gat. I doubt Rose beats him, its quite hard to reflect tiger shots consistently.
bboysanstrom: You exaggerate its just that risk vs reward favors Fei during footsies, so your best option is usually just to do nothing which means he gets to push you into the corner. He doesn’t take away your options so much as he kinda forces you to commit suicide.
Fei long, u can just spam focus attack, alittle dance and spam rekka.
And lock them in the corner.
Xian taught my friend some fei long technology.
It greatly improved his wake up game.
Like his sagat stuff he taught me.
If fei long knocks u down, and depending on his crouching normal he does right away.
Sets him up for a safe jump or safe cross up.
Lol That, and fei long has a stronger ability to bait than sagat.
True, sagat needs to bait out fei long chicken wing and etc.
But fei long can bait out fireball for the chicken wing.
He can bait out tiger knee, make it whiff with his cr.mk.
Sagat’s st.hk will easily get stuffed by his cr.hp or punished by rekka, back into the corner.
His flame kick does more damage than tiger uppercut. Im sure it’s faster, correct me if I’m wrong.
Don’t get me wrong emblem, he’s beatable. I know u can tolerate him.
But I think fei long is pretty fuckkng annoying.
He’s like a better simplified version of Dudley in my opinion.
I also consider Fei Long to be an altered version of the same archetype that Dudley is. I won’t say easier. Because Once Dudley is in I consider him scarier then Fei, but Fei is an actually SF char with legit fundamentals making to possible for him to dictate the flow of a match in a way that Dudley just can’t.
