The shortcut gem shouldn’t be an issue in SFxT, at least for me.
The problem I had with the stupid shortcuts in SF4 was if I want EX DP cancel on a normal, I’d get a fucken super a blow my whole bar.
Since supers are now 3 buttons in SFxT, its not an issue anymore, at least for me.
Everything else is fucken wacky with paid for gems being much better than the defaults. Capcom might as well make a fucken MMORPG if they want to go this route.
the problem with gems has NOTHING to do with whether one is more powerful than the other. (and i have heard that the more powerful gems can be harder to use as well) its actually a time issue of how long do we give players to setup their mains. I say we give each player 1 minute to a minute 30 to set their gems up. this means that a player will ONLY play with the gems they ever main and ONLY on the characters they main the game with. if you cant do it quick enough then oh well, thats what your playing with.
the…fuck.
Not everybody has a good offline community so a lot rely pretty heavily on getting experience through online matches and not everyone is a scrub online.
Whether tournaments will use gems or not (WNF didn’t), Capcom must provide an option to disable their precious gems when looking for matches online to make this game half decent in the competitive scene, but seeing how they’re trying to milk the shit out of their fans, I doubt this would happen.
Um do you even realize what not having to think about throws at all means for the player who has this gem? This completely
removes one of your offense options so now the guy with the gem is on the defense and what does he have to look out for? Thats right overhead or low, throws don’t exist for him but they sure as hell exist for you when you have to defend. Some of your baiting options go down the drain too.
They have already said they simply would not provide a way to get matches with others using no gems. They are going to come out with a tournament patch that will most likely allow people to keep their gem loadouts on a USB stick and players will plug those in with their controller and the game will instantly upload their gem load out. Which solves the major part of the problem with using gems in the first place. The other problem is if Capcom sells DLC gems and how will they affect gameplay. Most likely tournaments will allow gems once the time constraint issues are resolved and then figure out if DLC gems will be allowed.
WNF aren’t using gems because of time reasons…not because they effect gameplay negatively. That’s something I’ve seen spread all over these forums in the last couple of days for some reason.
This really just makes me…sad.
I was mad into FPS, even competitive in some, but then all worthwhile new releases were semi-realistic shooters that sucked ass and cost way too much money. Then, as if 80$ for a bad shooter wasn’t enough, they started with the DLC. 4 maps or something for 20$, I think it was. Ridiculous. One iteration followed the next, and with each new one they somehow managed to make gameplay less interesting and more frustrating (though I’m sure it’s great fun if you’re terribad).
“Screw that noise. I’ma go play some RTSs!”, I decided. Bought a whole bunch of them. Turns out, I can’t multitask. Played in a small fun-tournament with friends and random acquaintances. Beat one loud-mouth dude playing Marines with my Zerg in a 45 minute match to the death with frequent drops and lots of cheese on his part. I never felt as exhausted after playing a videogame (though beating that dude felt pretty awesome). Anyway, I just can’t afford to put in that much effort (and time, oh lord, the time-investment), so RTS isn’t for me.
SFIV came out. Looked okay. Gameplay mechanics were shit, but hey, it even got people interested that haven’t touched a FG in 20 years. Buy costumes, they’re cool. Shortly after, Super hits. Fine. Bought an Xbox for Super, BB, Mahvel. Playing Super for a while, same shit different day, whatever. AE hits. Begrudgingly I bought that, too. And the costumes. No harm, right? Just cosmetics.
Mahvel hits, all over it. Bought costumes. Hold on…DLC chars? Seriously? No way. Ultimate hits. Another 60$. KK, cool. Costumes: check. Same DLC chars, still haven’t bought them to this day (gfy Capcom).
SFxT. Friends tell me about the gem system and exclusive chars many months before release, we all laugh so hard. Game is released, gem details revealed. Inside of me, with the sound of an out-of-tune harp, something dies. They’re doing the same shit to this genre as they have with MMOs, FPS, etc. Except, they’re even more bold, progress even faster.
Really saddening to see people in charge, who probably got their jobs out of love for videogames, use content delivery systems in the worst possible way. And infuriating at the same time, because they hardly ever polish their actual products to any sort of acceptable standard.
It’s a slippery slope. All about dat cream.
capcom has shot themselves in the foot with the DLC gems being straight better than the default. It would force TOs to buy all the dlc gems in order to have the best gems that the competitive people would need. The other option is to straight ban gems the thing capcom absolutely does not want to happen. Default system gems + tournament patch was capcoms only hope of gems being used in a competitive setting. And honestly the USB “fix” still takes a minute to set up.
WNF last night ran until almost 2:30 in the morning for them. And they went with the fastest and most balanced solution for gems. To have pre emptively set up every character on every console to have a no gem load out. Adding a single minute extra per player to set up gems would have added a minimum of another hour and 20 minutes. And even once the tournament patch is out a single minute to set up gems per player is likely pushing it.
The only options I see available to TOs would be capcom sponsors the event and buys all your gems.
TOs buy all the gems themselves
TOs limit gem use to just the default.
TOs ban gems.
I think we all know which of the four will be done.
Main problem is that the general population that play fighting games became conditioned to buying/paying whatever Ono and Niitsuma threw in their way, regardless of how poor the quality of said products were or how unreasonable the conditions were. This problem began in 2009, and many of you continued to help perpetuate it throughout the past 3 years.
By buying SFxT, you have already contributed to the problem again. This DLC fiasco is only a byproduct of a much larger issue with Capcom as a whole.
Ono is as trustworthy as half the people (or more) who post crap on SRK front page and in the forums with various insanity, trolling, and outright lying.
Besides you don’t need much of a brain to see that the assist gems should be considered 100% irrelevant to any discussion of gem balance. I mean come on. It’s the most intentionally dishonest thing in the world to consider the assists factors in real play.
I bet people are going to have a shit next over the EX gems, while ignoring the fact that they take two slots. Nobody really gets the meta game in SFXT yet. It is too young and the gems are a new idea. Sacrificing a 3rd gem slot really means something because gems only activate once a round. EX gems are high risk / reward because blowing it with EX gem means you wasted what could have been a 3rd gem activation. Plus you can stack activations. Some 3 gem combos could be better than one EX gem (likely).
But then this is SRK. Plenty of people are intentionally dishonest if it makes a game they’re trolling sound bad.
The hell you talking about??? Runes are allowed, they’re being used at ESL as we speak.
I’m sorry for spreading bad info then, I read a ruleset for a LoL tourney from the community site, and then double checked from another site with some google searching.
Looks like we are all fucked then
Like the poster above you said, people lie to try and make something they think they don’t like (or more than likely read about somebody they like disliking it and then following their lead) and lie about it to make things sound worse.
I don’t know how many times on this forum I’ve now read where people are reiterating the hatred of gems from months ago before anybody had seen them in action simply because WNF did not use them. Never even bothering to learn WHY WNF didn’t use gems.
P.S. It had nothing to do with the gems and everything to do with gem selection time required between matches.
Dumb sheep are dumb.
With the long set-up times and now this… I wouldn’t be surprised if tournament organizers just said “screw it!” and banned gems.
You seen that shit to right?!?!?!?!
You unlocked the trophy: It’s just a test
Please read what I wrote and don’t make stupid conclusions like this
Wait until the tournament update comes out. I’ll bet if it DOES solve all the set-up problems as smooth as butter and is the best thing since a Poison fellatio, everyone will just swivel and lock on to the next thing they heard someone who heard someone who heard someone say that proves the game is horrible Capcom is evil every single game they make that isn’t Super Turbo or 3rd Strike is bad and anyone who plays them is ruining fighting games FOREVER. lol.
You don’t have to go to the KOF scene to find everybody taking themselves too seriously. FGC is comprised of two tiers - people who go pro and wannabes under them who are the “shit tier” and shit means more than one thing. Everybody down here is a sycophant trying to look like a big man for having the right opinion and hating the right things.
God forbid someone hates something because they genuinely hate it, that’s impossible amiright?
It’s not a stupid conclusion as you put it if it’s repeated constantly on these forums. Even you unwittingly perpetuated an idea that gems shouldn’t be used because another game that has little in common with a fighting game doesn’t use a somewhat similar feature despite you being wrong and that game actually using the feature. You corrected yourself but many on this forum do not.
Also, for Iduno, sure you can hate something because you hate it. But smart people who aren’t being sheep tend to articulate that reasoning as to exactly why they hate something. GL finding that in a lot of these posts.
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