No one was blaming her nor justifying his actions. The argument was only on his intent, and on the severeness of what he did.
Actually, several people have blamed her and attempted to justify his actions. Like, Mancub literally used the phrase “I can blame her,” for instance.
Good way only taking a small part of the quote.
Other people can play that game too.
So what I’m getting from what happened:
Person A making dumb remarks > Person B not putting a stop to it/playing along > Person A keeps making dumb remarks > Person B expects Person A to be able to read body language and/or read minds > Spectacle continued until the last possible moment in which Person B finally decides to say something about earlier remarks.
What the fuck took Person B so long to say something?
I think we’re missing the point with all this arguing over Aris. This thread (and about fifty bajillion others recently) was created because someone has perceived sexism in the FGC, in this case that person was someone from MIT who went and made a video making us all out to be a bunch of misogynist cavemen. Now I can’t speak for everyone else but I could give a third of a fuck about what some middle aged professor trying to make it big on the interwebs thinks.
What does it matter if Aris is sexist? I don’t personally think he is a bigot, just massively MASSIVELY awkward around women, but if I happen to be wrong do we seriously think that anyone is dumb enough to think this represents us as a community? He’s a good Tekken player and a fun guy to watch. He’s also a foul mouthed raging beast, who (as far as I know) has never won a major and has therefore never been in a position to ‘represent’ us (I hate using all these community terms so much (however I love parenthesis)).
I have been going to arcades since I was a kid, and worked in video game retail for a long while. I honestly, honestly don’t feel there is a problem with sexism, any more than there is in any other entertainment medium. Are there dicks in the community? Of course, and you will always hear about them before you hear about the thousands of perfectly nice, well adjusted guys because everyone would rather hear about that one asshole who made a girl cry than the gentleman who held a door open.
As fighting games get more spotlight, sadly it feels like we’ll have to put up with more of this shit being flung at us.
We’ll cope.
what if that aris thing was a publicity stunt in order to gain more popularity?
why get worked up about gossip? I never understood how people get carried away of something so irrelevant
Alot of talk about FGC in this thread from people who arent even good at fighting games 
Money Match me
I’m not sure what you’re getting at. I would assume that you’re implying I’m using an out-of-context quote to give the impression that Mancubus was saying something he wasn’t, except that he was saying pretty much exactly what I implied he was saying. I quoted him saying he blames Miranda for Aris’s actions in a post about how he thinks it is totally fair to blame Miranda for Aris not stopping.
Yeah, like I was saying earlier, I don’t think there’s really a problem with sexism in “the eff gee cee” so much as problem with sexism in society at large. Aris didn’t do anything some scrub hanging out the passenger side of his best friend’s ride wouldn’t do, he just made a girl feel uncomfortable and/or unsafe in an arcade rather than while she’s walking home. That doesn’t make it okay, and it isn’t okay, by any means, but it does make the problem bigger than some kids playing video games making unfortunate statements. It’s silly and counter-productive to act like it’s only a problem in some niche community, and I think doing so is reflective of a problematic attitude; every time you say sexism or racism is a problem in some other community, it’s essentially implying that it isn’t a problem in your own. It’s basically a vanishing act, a politically correct way of sticking your head in the sand.
I still think that what Aris did was wrong, but I haven’t been one of the people saying he’s a monster or a waste of life of whatever. He made a mistake and, if I recall correctly, apologized for it. What I find more disturbing is the fact that so many people cannot or will not admit that Aris did anything wrong, to the point of blaming her for his actions.
Good, you added more words that could of taken a lot less. With two sentences that mean the same thing. My guess you’re still in high school.
I’m surprised nobody made a flow chart on how threads like this worked.
- Bad research on community.
- Said research gets posted on one of the communities forums.
- Said community writes it off as bad research.
- People come in to defend said research with one incident that happened over a year ago that has settled already.
- Thread gets locked nobody learns anything.
Trolling happens through out.
wheres the afihgting games?s?
I’m not sure which two sentences you think mean the same thing, or what you think a sentence is, but I really don’t think you’re in a position to complain that others “could of” phrased their posts better.
Thinking hard? Some one posted before you could even complete that post.
Hey, man, you gave me a lot of embarrassing mistakes to choose from. There were errors “through out” your post. It’s one of the worst I’ve seen on this “communities” forum.
It’s simple.
BRB
Doing something people actually want.
This is where context comes in, let’s post the tone of voice and everything else that actually happened in the quote. :
Aris: ''Play for shirts, loser takes their shirt off." [joking tone]
Miranda: ''Oh no." [normal tone]
Aris: ''Look, I’m the coach here, Miranda." [joking tone]
Miranda: [laughing] ''Okay, no." [still laughing]
Miranda: [completely relaxed tone] '‘I’m trying to play, Aris, you’re messin’ me up!“
Aris: ''You need to be able to focus when people are heckling you.” [still not serious in tone]
Miranda: [partway laughing] ''That’s fiiine, but, like, you, this is just creepy!“
Aris: ''You need to be able to play when people are harassing you.” [still a joking tone]
Miranda: [sarcastic but not abrasive tone] ''Thanks, Aris." [laugh more]
Aris: ''Take off your shirt." [still not a serious or demanding tone]
/subject is dropped
Then let’s look at the skirt discussion.
Aris: I tried asking if she had a skirt so we could hook you guys up tomorrow, but she didn’t bring a skirt.
Miranda: Nope!
Aris: Maybe we’ll go to the store and get you a skirt.
Miranda: I’m good.
Aris: I’m serious, can I go to the store and get you a skirt? I’ll pay for it.
Aris: You see what I do for you guys, chat?
Miranda: I was gonna say, what the hell? For what? (I think that’s what she said, she might have been talking to somebody else in the room or something, but I can’t completely make it out because it’s halfway through what Aris said.)
sometime later
Aris: I’m gonna try and get her a skirt, guys. I’ve got your backs.
Aris: Out of my own pocket, I’m gonna get her a skirt, if I can’t get a skirt I’m gonna make one out of napkins.
Aris: You’re wearing a skirt tomorrow.
Miranda: I don’t have a skirt!
Aris: I’m gonna get you one.
Miranda: I think it’s all Aris, probably just being a big creep!
Aris: Make her a skirt out of my beard?
Miranda: laugh Noooo.
Once again, totally menacing and threatening to her safety. I liked all the parts where she said ''Look, seriously, Aris? Please stop making these jokes, they’re making me really uncomfortable." instead of saying ‘nooo’ among bouts of laughter.
Feel free to move the goal posts again, champ.
You seem very confident in your ability to pick up the tonal nuances of their quotations for someone who has yet to transcribe them accurately.
I’ve really said all I care to say about this. It’s pretty clear from what happened how she took Aris’s behavior and how she felt about it. Saying that it’s her fault because she didn’t ask him to stop in the “proper way” is absurd, and saying you can tell how she really felt better than she can is worse.
She asked him to stop. He didn’t. That’s wrong.
It isn’t about telling her how she felt, it’s about saying how she portrayed her feelings. You’re just hearing what you want to hear out of these criticisms, you want to believe that we’re throwing up banners saying she deserved the shit Aris was saying, but all we’re saying is that if she wanted it to stop, she could have approached the situation infinitely better and did very little to actively stop it. It isn’t comparable to stabbing, or rape, or any other shark you want to jump and pretend like they’re even in the same ballpark. Aris made awkward jokes, she responded with laughter and made her few objections seem less serious in nature.
Got any recent ‘FGC players are sexist’ material that actually happened this year, or is a singular dude making uncomfortable jokes to a girl that played along with them nearly two years ago the only evidence you’ve got?
I didn’t say it was comparable to doing those things, I said his behavior could appear threatening and that, accordingly, it’s not really fair to dismiss a situation that made someone feel unsafe as having her “feelings hurt.” I said that just because you didn’t think his remarks were threatening didn’t mean someone else couldn’t take them that way, especially if he refused to stop when she asked and he invaded her space, physically, as well. I also never claimed anybody said she deserved it; I said people blamed her for his actions, and I think saying that it’s her fault that he kept going is blaming her for his actions. I said it’s unreasonable to blame her for not asking him to stop “the right way,” and I think that is unreasonable. To me, what matters is that she asked him to stop. That means stop. Period.
Finally, I never said I agreed with the MIT analysis; in fact, I’ve pretty specifically said that I don’t agree with it. I’m not saying people who play fighting games are sexist. I’m saying what Aris did was wrong and it bothers me that so many people in threads like this are so determined to prove some article wrong or whatever that they will not even consider the possibility that “a singular dude” did something wrong.
Except people, while laughing, will often say ‘noooooo’ during laughter, especially if the subject matter of the joke was especially offensive or otherwise not PC. Neither party involved approached the situation correctly, that is what I’m saying, but I realize it is hard for somebody that is intent on victimizing a female to grasp that she could have managed herself better and halted the situation far sooner.
Reminds me of the typical over-analyzed university shit. Pick things apart and see all sorts of shit that ain’t even right. They’re right on a few points, but like most things they over analyzed the shit out of this. ‘You only have to buy one game, and you only have access to MvC3 until you get good’? Really?
“a high end PC to eliminate lag time” NO. That is not how that shit works. Also, MVC3 for PC? Great! What official spec will we use at tournaments? Fuck you!
How to get good at fighting games:
Sit down
Shut the fuck up
Press buttons
Get good
Acquire Asian hands.
Where was my study analysis for people asking me why I’m not good at basketball as a black guy.
Again. Fuck you!
(Yes I know I’m perpetuating the stereotypes. Can I smell you?) :tdown: