On the “Official” Tiers, Bison is actually 6th, a slight bit under Dhalsim, I think, or Guile, one of the two. Either way, I still have major problems against Cammy players, given that her pressuring overheads and ridiculously high amount of low-block required moves is unsettling. I can only teleport and poke for so long, it’s like a game of cat and mouse, jeez.
¿qué?
No. Cammy has no overhead move. Cannon strike can be blocked low, her hooligan throw does not grab low either.
There’s no official Tier List.
There’s the Japanese wiki list, Arcadia list, Mago list, Ipw/Westcoast list, personal lists and etc.
tiers are gay.
Here I made a response to the Dictator ChunLi match like I said I would earlier. I just noted some strengths and weaknesses she has in THIS matchup…
Strengths: pokes, stronger ground game and footsies
-can control the ground and air midscreen
-backdash (can be hard to read at times to react with slide)
Weakness:
-ex bird kick only viable wakeup option (on knockdown) can be baited
-since kikoshio does little damage she has to wait near the end of the match to use it unless she gives dictator meter and an ultra (if he didnt already use it)
Fireballs are not safe midscreen now
-Corner makes very little to no options of escape
-Comeback factor is low in a life lead situation
-Dictator can easily get out of the corner if being pursued with no worries of a punish
-Damage: Dictator does damage more than normally.
For her strengths in the match I will not deny that it can be hard when Chunli is midscreen. She sets up with slow fb’s until you get close enough then she sets up a mount of offense and poking.
I challenge her by walking up, never jumping (unless she throws an uncalculated fireball) and when shes knocked down most of her options include back dash which is punishable with slide as mentioned earlier, walking back, jump straight up in which is never good against dic as he can walk up RH with no trade, crouching short to interrupt your block string but dic’s crouching short will beat hers out. Counterhit
She fights bison in the corner by waiting for an opportunity to land ex bird so she can get out which is about her only option. I’ve seen chun’s wakeup hatan-shu which isnt a popular strategy but works itself out until they adapt to it. Cr. strong beats scissors at a range, but once she starts doing that you can st. fwd her at a range, however this gives her enough space to try and jump out or fireball then pursue or ex fireball. So i normally just wait until she throws it out then do scissors again.
I believe that although he may not win the ground game outright with her Dictator can fight chunli on the ground very well if you dont jump. Fireballs are not as threatfull as people make them out to be imo and they are nowhere as threat full as Guiles which are faster and more reliable (chun’s fireball decepates after a time) little things like that are important to understand because since her fb is only midscreen you don’t have to be forced in a situation of blocking and you can jump away and not take the chip unlike Guile who can force you to take it.
Against the patient dictator if she is at the loss in a life lead the it can be very hard to get it on him or get close on top of worrying about ex meter escapes.
In a situation where you need mter devil reversal is not a bad option (full screen) to gain meter, as she cannot punish unless she ex fb or you push yourself to the corner with dr and she can u1 but most chunli’s never use that ultra on dic if rarley.
Chunli’s rushdown is not as strong on dictator as it is on other characters as he has better escape otions which she can minorly punish and has to be predicted, teleoprt, smart backdashes and she has to play more of a mindgame type of match is why I dont think she beats him and ppl will argue. I stand by the fact that she does not BEAT Bison and if anything the matchup is more even but I still stand by my score of 5.5 dictator as I feel he has a slight advantage in the match.
Great info very in-depth I just wished all tiers came with reasons why a match up score is the way it is.It would kill so much of the confusion and some trolls.lol.
holly shit I just played EMP the ARC and his Ibuki is nasty!! frame traps and blockstrings for days!! I thought I knew that matchup… wrong! Anyone have any solid advice for fighting a good rushdown Ibuki? I know how to block her kunai mixups, but her frame traps is what got me and her normal overhead that she can combo off of. Is there anything meterless bison can do? wait sorry wrong thread
What about blocked step kick -> roll?
A throw should catch his roll, I think.
yep throw beats roll always… throw also beats EX TT and COD… which is why I throw abel players around all day.
I feel bison has a disadvantage against
Worst: Guile, Chun Li
Others: Honda, Zangief, Ryu, Akuma, Ken.
Characters I hate to play: Ibuki, Seth, Blanka, Guile, Chun Li.
From Haritsuka An’s blog, (Japanese dic, 5500PP/14000BP) his opinion on the match ups :
6.5
Gouken Hakan Dan
6
Sakura Gen Makoto Juri
5.5
Rufus Blanka Claw Viper Abel Fuerte Cody Guy Rose
5
Boxer Ken Sagat Fei Ibuki Hawk Dudley Adon
4.5
Ryu Chun-Li Gouki Seth DJ
4
Gief Sim Cammy
3.5
Honda
3
Guile
I have to agree with all of this except the 5 against Dudley, I think that fight is in Bison’s favor. At least 6-4. You have to play very lame, but if you do, Dudley just can’t get in at the tip of s. RH’s range.
Forgot about Ryu, I can’t see how that isn’t at least even. Tho, I was watching a match between Min and Damdai using Bison and Ryu respectively and Ryu EX SRKed Bison out of Ultra 2 on the way down when Min pulled it at mid range. It may have been done a little to late, so i’m not sure. It raised an eye brow to be sure.
Min randomly U2’d? Doesn’t seem like something a good Bison would do. If he did it in response to a fireball, he either did it too late or did it against EX-FB.
I mean, unless guile is really dumb, if is solid guile, chance is pretty slim…I thought is more like 7/3 or 8/2…I have no idea what bison can use get in safely, and guile have tons safe option against bison…
even worst than chun li, honda, those character have weakness that bison can get in safer, but guile? is GDLK and over all cover character that is hard to rush, and just simple Neutral Jump dodge SB is not the option, any smart guile know that, either you got to FADC the SB or jump, with either way a good FK can reset you and what? more SB??
well maybe there is not much Guile player from vanilla, so guile/bison still around 6/4…
wait till they find out.
looks about right but i would put Chun with honda
nice info! but how hawk with 5/5?? I thought hawk around 3.5…and cammy is insane if they know how to throw those crazy air arrow…
new July tier from japan :
Super Street Fighter 4 Tiers ? Character Rankings : EventHubs.com
as I thought…fk chun li she is back on top just like 3rd strike…and YEAH! BISON STILL ON TOP! NO ONE FK WITH LIGHT(speed) KNEE PRESS and PC CROSS OVER!!
bet Justin gonna use chun li vs daigo ??
Sorry, it was in response to a fireball, and like i said, it may have been done a little late.
The match up ratios are not that bad in SSF4 TBH.
ITT a match up looks really grim when it’s 3-7 and up.
But I’m interested by Haritsuka’s opinion on some of these match ups if he puts up anything someone can translate.
I’m still kinda 50/50 on the Honda match up. I think if you ever lose patience and awareness, it’s game over anyway when he has meter. It’s not necessarily the same as Bison with life lead since jumping on him is a little more feasible.