The games been out for a few months. So here is a score list of all of Dic’s matchups. This is soley an opinionated list and should not be taken but as such. This is to get a flow of differnt match scores from differnt Bison players and what they feel is the score in a matchup.
I’ll average out the score after about a week from today to see what the average scores look like.
I think the vega fight is in Dic’s favor because once you get a knockdown on vega you can really mess him up or you somehow get within c.lk distance while he’s not paying attention, meaties/option select slide will beat his wakeup options except maybe ex.
How come you put sakura at 6-4 her? I think it’s relatively easy to keep her out compared to say cammy who I think is pretty even too.
Edit: Oh, if only I could delete evidence of this post.
Your reading it wrong, after the score the character with the advantage in the score is noted afterwards like Bison vs Sakura the matchup is 6/4 in Bisons favor. Abel 5.5 in Abels favor etc.
Haha you should hear Kim1234. When I was listening to him talk about the vanilla matchups, I was like “holy shit, high level bison is this bad?” It sounded like in his view, Bison’s average would be like 3 or 4 lol.
i agree with 95% of this list except: akuma and sagat. i dont have extensive experience against seth, but 6-4 from my limited experience seems … generous.
i suppose akuma and sagat depend on the ultra you pick, but with u2, i feel those matches are at least 5-5. damage nerf to sagat’s TU makes him much less threatening, and bison not only has great escape options against akuma’s vortex, but his normals are magnified by akuma’s squishy stamina.
with jeron’s list, i emphatically disagree with chun/bison being 5.5 in bison’s favor. it’s at LEAST the other way around.
i dunno how u guys are saying Abel, Akuma, and a few others aren’t in Dic’s favour (especially since Abels rolling game gets stuffed by sMK/sHK, and since Akuma can’t really fireball zone as well).
as for some of the other matchups, too many 5-5’s in my opinion
I think when you start blocking all of Seth’s shit properly, and lucky he has no command overhead, he doesn’t have a whole lot of threat because he bleeds hard. A lot of Seth players quickly just stop their aggressive game plan when they are losing the life lead a lot and try to resort to gimmicks. No more sonic boom ultra 1 trap in SSF4. I think Bison just edges this out IMO due to stamina and damage ratio against Seth. One blocked LK Knee Press on Seth is like 2~3% of his overall stam already. You just make a few good decisions and guesses and you beat him down 50%. You block his lightning legs, you can just throw out 30% of his HP already by doing c.MP xx HP Psycho.
just saying that they get their rolls shutdown, and letting abel get close enough to start forward mk games (which you should be ex PCing out of anywho) is a terrible idea
Maybe. But Abel rolls should mainly be used for mix ups and breaking charge. It’s more reaction based because sometimes you can’t swat it down because they canceled it off something to mix you up like aa c.MK xx roll… so now you’re landing on reset and you have to guess if it’s front or back and you won’t have enough time to s.mk or s.hk it… you either just teleport or backdash (both of which are 50/50 again and not reliable cuz you’ll dash forward or teleport and stay in the same spot to eat a huge punish). If you read the Abel forums, HAV has a good write up of the Abel vs Bison match. He agrees it’s 6-4 Abel favor too.
I still say abel is 5-5 man…on knockdown, abel has problems dealing with Bison, and I don’t jump enough to get caught with AA cMK into roll often (either way, I usually hold down/away when i jump, so I have charge to ex PC or ex DR to safety).
I have to admit, I haven’t fought a lot of Abels since Vanilla, so I dunno how much Breathless changes things.
Id rather fight Guile than Abel…thats all I gotta say. Once Abel has you in his grasps, its DAMN near impossible to get out without your HP being drained first. Escape with EXPC? Blocked+ultra’d. Teleport? Ultra’d. Abel has very good ways to just stuff Bisons escape routes, not to mention his godlike mixup abilities. Most of the good Abels ive seen dont roll unless its in a combo.
As far as escape options go, Abel can punish every single one of Dic’s options. Devil Reversal gets jump fierced, teleport gets punished with dash in standing fwd into dash in big damage combo by abel with a knockdown which you have to guess on wakeup… Ex stomp works until the abel player adapts to it and walks under and punishes.
EX psycho is good until Abel has Ultra then that move gets eliminated as an escape.
The key is to rush Abel down as much as possible before he gets ex meter. When the match gets full screen is when Abel will build meter with whiff air throw. You can match it with short scissors or ex psycho but if he blocks it with one meter you have to guess whether hes gonna ex command grab your offense or wait for you to do something.
ie: the bison player does ex psycho and jumps straight up to bait ex command grab and the Abel meets him with a Air to Air fierce. Stuff like that.
Jumping is never an option for either opponent in this matchup
Bison has the solid ground pokes to keep abel from rushing just dont poke too much otherwise they will read with a focus dash in command grab. The matchup would be even but greater health and better knockdown options better mixups rush etc. is what makes this match a little in Abels favor.