aweesomeee I’d rep both of you guys if i could
okay so i’ve been hearing this a bit and i understand. now here is what we the devastation staff need from you and anyone else who knows what happened. please help us or show us how to properly create the brackets. you can contact jedirob and the rest of the staff in the az thread. but please friend don’t just complain help out. we want to make sure we improve on each event. this way next year we improve on this. thanks for the help.
devastation was tight. Had a good time. Niggas need to stop bitching about brackets, and just play the game. Man up. But other than that i had a great time. See you niggas at EVo
just totally randomize the brackets.
Thanks, I’ll get to that. The event itself was pretty dope and I had a good time overall. Hope you guys keep up the good work.
There was way too much made of the brackets. If you are good enough to win, you will get to the top, if not, then oh well. Why put the brackets a certain way so they can always feel good about having reached the final 8 or whatever.
Randomize it and let them be treated like everyone else, no special treatment. Honestly, I only saw West Coast players complain about it (although it was only through stream so I can’t be certain those were the only upset people). Keep doing it that way.
Thanks for the streaming. That was amazing and I was just very thankful to have the opportunity to see it. Awesome job:pray:
Epic post, Abasi ftw
thats what we did… it was not too everyones likeing so it became an issue…
the initial pools were seeded by region and calli had alot of ppl make it out of the brackes… it was random but was tough to not hit a cali player.
There were more than just West coast players complaining. Empire players were complaining as well. Randomizing brackets work in theory, because everyone’s got an equal opportunity to play each other. However, there’s always that chance you may get something like this in say a bracket of 16 people: (this is a dramatization, so bear with me)
Justin Wong
Mike Ross
Combfiend
Ed Ma
Marn
Gootecks
Choi
Ken I
Free
KillerKai
Free
Free
Free
Free
Free
Free
Now let’s say the tournament plays out. I make it all the way to winners finals while 7 other guys clearly better than me are sent to losers while I get mopped up in winners finals. I still place top 3 because 6 of those 7 will have gotten peaced. I still would have placed top 3 without beating anyone decent.
Obviously, you’ll almost always have at least one guy worse than you get placed higher due to easier matchups. But you generally want placings at majors to reflect skill level as closely as possible.
Back on point, the main issue here is finding a consistent way of seeding people properly. While running my fair share of local tournaments, I’ve always done my best to seed people fairly. And I still have yet to have someone really complain (the only time I remember was having Chunk and Cableguy play it out in winners semis of an FFA tournament, and even then, I could understand their gripe to an extent). But even then, I don’t think one person should have the full authority to determine seeding. I understand that no matter how fair the seeding system is or whether it exists or not, people will bitch regardless. But under a relatively fair seeding, most of the unreasonable bitching won’t even exist.
i think the one piece that ppl didnt know about was that the pools werent finished when the discussion began.
You just killed your own point with your example, you made the absolute worst possible bracket, and in that case, one person would only be guaranteed 3rd. Whats the problem? someone placed 9th instead of 17th? who cares? that was worth stopping the tournament for? Was the actual bracket that 0.001% worst possible bracket? obviously not.
In addition, anyone who lost a match to choi, watson, or other “non-seeds” are DQ’ed from all future bracket whining.
You just killed your own point in your own post. What’s the problem? You said top 3 gets paid. I get paid for sucking, that’s what the problem would be.
Congrats to Mr. Naps for the biggest win in the tourney… Beating the korean tekken legend Mad Dog Jin in T6: BR!
I thought the live streaming was great. I didn’t know who DjWheat was but now i wanna watch his normal broadcast. I really liked the matches we got to see, alot of big names being thrown around and alot of “dream match” opportunities. Also congrats to Mr.Wong who seemed to not break a sweat beating every tournament he entered expect HDR.
mvc2 results/vids?
What do you mean? you upset Free!
But seriously, this assumes that someone is qualified to give a universal top 8, then that the worst possible bracket happens in that top 8. I don’t see that either of these happened at this tournament.
On the flip side, when you seed brackets you end up with someone’s horrible biased opinion dictating results 100% of the time, instead of a small chance of generating an unlucky bracket. I’ll take the random bracket.
Exactly. That’s why I said this
Back on point, the main issue here is finding a consistent way of seeding people properly. While running my fair share of local tournaments, I’ve always done my best to seed people fairly. And I still have yet to have someone really complain (the only time I remember was having Chunk and Cableguy play it out in winners semis of an FFA tournament, and even then, I could understand their gripe to an extent). But even then, I don’t think one person should have the full authority to determine seeding. I understand that no matter how fair the seeding system is or whether it exists or not, people will bitch regardless. But under a relatively fair seeding, most of the unreasonable bitching won’t even exist.
I have plenty of ideas that could be used for proper seeding in a major that would keep it out of the hands of just one person (I’ve already PM’d rob one of them). They’ve just never been practical at one day tourneys.
A seeding system requires the top level players have access to the same tournaments, in SF the big tournaments are so far apart that the skill level can change in between them. Any possible system will have to make up the gap in information, and IMO will not be taken seriously because of it.
When we have a system where all of the top 20 players are playing in the same events every month, then there will be a reason to seed. 2-3 times a year just isn’t enough data to worry about.
Locally this isn’t a problem, because all the players are known and generally out of towners are seeded away from the best locals. You can’t do the same with a bunch of top level players that have rarely played each other.
If you have ideas I think people would be interested in talking about it, but it concerns me when you say it isn’t good for a one day tournament, and i’ve laid out my general concerns above.
They use rankings. Different story. There are no ranks in this tournament.
Devastation Winners and Losers
my opinion probably doesnt matter but i watched the whole thing from start to end so here are my observation for the tournament Winners and Losers:
Winner:
Justin Wong
Won 4 events, probably took home a lot of cash, proved everyone that he is the best at the moment especially in SF4. kudos to this guy…
Loser:
Devastation (SF4 turnout)
~130 player turnout for a major event in Devastation for SF4, a game that is very very popular at the moment, is quite low… No?
Winner:
John Choi
Nuff said, put everyone in their place, this guy’s experience with SF game showed. He beat a ton of wc favorites en route to the finale where he lost a somewhat close game where wong needed to switch to abel. with a bit more experience playing various characters, this guy will be a beast.
Loser:
gootecks
lol so much hate is being generated to this guy by the minute, loved the funny chat explode when this guy is talking/playing/on-screen. Probably due to his annoying voice, biased commentary, and know it all kinda commentary, not to mention the whining/crying that happened about the brackings. Should’ve just manned up i guess…
Winner:
Tekken 6
nice looking game
Loser:
Soul Caliber 4 / Kof 12
Sc4 is clearly hated in the chat while KOF12 is now scrutinized as a boring game because the stream showed random playing beat themselves up for like half the stream (lol)
Loser:
wc/socal reps
well, justin beat some of them senseless and people justin didn’t beat got beat by john choi, then wong beat choi… i guess him > everyone the west can give…
Winner:
DJwheat live-on-3 crew/stream/commentary
this stream is probably the best quality i’ve seen for a fighting game event, nice equipment, i know everyone criticize it but just give djwheat and his crew time and they will learn how to commentate the matches, but they didnt do bad imo, kudos to them and thanks to them for bring us the stream for those that cannot go to the event. I agree with them that this is going to help the community grow, so less hatin/more appreciatin… kinda annoyed by that suzy guy though and ja-rule 
killerkai gives the greatest help commentary on SF4 honestly…
my observations only and clearly my OPINIONS