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Oh man, I just got a copy of Tales of the Green Lantern Corps Annual #2, from 1985.

I knew it was the precursor to Sinestro Corps War, but I didn’t know just what that meant.

this shit’s amazing. It lays out EXACTLY what was to happen in Sinestro Corps War. And it stuck pretty close to it.

Ranx exploding a Blink Bomb in Mogo’s core. The unification of all the major GL enemies, Sodam Yat, it’s all in there!, they stuck really well to Moore’s script, but part of me wonders just how much better it would’ve been (and it WOULD have been better) if Moore had written the Sinestro Corps War.

no knock against Johns, but Moore writes with purpose and explicit detail.

1862

If Alan Moore wrote the Sinestro Corps War then it would be GOD-TIER.I wonder how come the writers today(Grant Morrsion is an exception to the rule) write like Alan Moore any more?

1863

Everytime I see your username I get HHH’s theme song stuck in my head, just thought you should know. Morrison would do great, but I like what Johns accomplished. I don’t think DC anticipated it would be such a hit for them.

1864

definitely not, since they chose to ruin the ending in Countdown.

1865

Nice kick ass avatar Taichi!! thats pretty raw.

Btw if you guys are lookin for an alan moore that rocks you should scope out old school “swamp thing” great read and the writings hardcore. he had a great run in that series my lil brother loved it.

As far as the corp war goes i was blown away! i agree that it woulda been better if moore had written it, but in my opinion that book pissed me off! It was BULLSHIT! how all of a sudden some jackhole with a yellow ring could pull a God-tier entity like Ion out of Kyle Rayner one of the most badass and powerful lanterns. what the hell was with that?

1866

Thanks, everybody loves the Kick Ass Avatar, so I’ve left it up ever since I came back. I’m thinking about changing it but I haven’t found anything that I like as much at the moment. I’d do something with Rorschach, but that’s played out, I don’t wanna do another Impulse one, because Quiche created the perfect one for me ages ago, so Dave Lizewski stays, until I find something else. Though I do have something in mind.

As for Moore books, funny you should mention that. My latest trip to Pittsburgh yielded me the following:

[the Secret Origins issues were all a buck apiece.

Vigilante 3, I bought for my New Teen Titans collection, was in immaculate condition, and only $.50, DC Comics Presents #85 was $1.50](http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q292/alvatron/100_2339.jpg)

and these as well:

[That Green Lantern book was $3.50. It goes for a pretty penny on ebay.

And Swamp Thing…Let’s just say I paid a price I was comfortable with. Or rather, my brother did.](http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q292/alvatron/100_2340.jpg)

as for what Sinestro did to Kyle in the Sinestro Corps War, well, I agree with you, but there’s too many fans of that bitch Jordan out there at the moment (which is fucking ridiculous, because Kyle fans ALWAYS outnumbered Hal Fans when Kyle was on the book), to really do anything about it.

1867

What’s with the Jordon hate Taichi?

1868

you mean besides him cutting off Boodikka’s hand, immolating Kilowog, breaking Sinestro’s neck, and massacring the Guardians?

howabout leaving all the remaining Lanterns stranded in space without weapons.

I don’t forgive easily. Even if it IS just a fictional character. Even if many of the people he killed are now alive again.

and I ain’t buying the yellow cockroach copout either. It has been documented post-rebirth that Hal shares equal responsibility for his actions.

now, before you label me a Kyle lover, I only believe he deserves the title of Green Lantern. My favorite Earth Green Lantern is and always will be Guy Gardner.

now that I’ve explained myself, let me explain something else: I do not hate Hal Jordan. He is my second favorite Villain of ALL TIME.

I just dislike him being portrayed as a hero post-Emerald Twilight.

everything up to Emerald Twilight is fine. I actually love some of it. But I think once a hero becomes a killer, that should forever stain his reputation. Or should we be forgiving Sinestro and Superboy Prime?

Parallax is the most interesting thing that ever happened to Hal Jordan. It looks like it always will be. Hal was a boring character long before Parallax, and he seriously runs the risk of being such again. After Blackest Night, then what? How can you up the stakes higher?, how can you keep the threat level at maximum?, how can you keep telling more exciting stories with a character who isn’t unique? That’s the same problem they faced last time. Their solution?, KILL EVERYTHING AND START OVER. I just don’t see the need for the DCU to revert back to 1965, especially when many of the characters they’re bringing back had worthy successors, who are now displaced because an aging fan base wanted everything to be just how they remembered it.

Wally EARNED being the Flash. not only did he fill Barry’s shoes, he surpassed him. In every fucking way.

Barry is unnecessary, and is better as a symbolic death.

Kyle was a capable successor. That’s just how it is. And a MUCH more interesting character, both because he was flawed, and because he was an artist, and therefore was able to create much cooler constructs. Seriously ANOTHER boxing glove, Hal? Give it a rest.

1869

GG is also my fav. GL, but no offense…those are some silly reasons to hate Jordon, but I could blame that on DC at the time; IIRC there was a different concept for Emerald Twilight where Jordon didn’t go on a rampage, but he and the other GLs faced off against…the Guardians;
http://goodcomics.blogspot.com/2006/01/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-34.html
I still find that the destruction of his city driving him mad to not make much sense, since John caused the death of an entire planet and he didn’t go psycho, plus Hal always seemed as the calm calculating person whenever possible. Heck even though he disagreed with the Guardians on several occasions, his outburst in E. Twilight just seemed a little overdoing it.

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I think what Taichi meant in short is: They took the greatest GL ever made him a mass killer redeemed him with a pathetic excuse and than made him the greatest GL ever again
should have stayed parallax should have stayed Spectre or should have stayed dead (correct me if im wrong about this)
and John stewart needs to be the main GL

1871

THAT my friend is also one of my gripes since Ion is like an upper-tier Silver Surfer prior to that, however I won’t rip the story apart because of it, there’s always bound to be a cinderella fallacy here and there, I can simply just assume that the anti-monitor potentially can have a hand in that.

1872

You do know all that stuff Jordan did was Parallax’s influence right?Go back & read the Green Lantern Rebirth it explains it all.

1873

I think Taichi knows that, but Hal still feels responsible for what he did. What Taichi is saying is the whole Parallax thing was a copout, a poor excuse to try to redeem Jordan in the fan’s eyes. Just like DC was saying “Our bad” despite it being a good character angle, and introducing a more interesting and fresh Lantern to us (Kyle Rayner).

From what I figure of the four main Lanterns, they fit along these lines: Kyle Rayner is the dreamer, the emotional member who is more powerful than he believes potentially, his creativity gives him more mastery of his abilities, but his fear of killing others unintentionally holds him back. Stewart is the thinker and soldier, the working man of the Corps. His weaponry is straight forward and blunt, but he is a loyal follower.

Then there is Guy, the ever lovable rebel of the Corps. He is there to defy authority, question things that should normally not be questioned, and get his point across. While outwardly he seems to not give a shit, he truly cares about his fellow Corps members, as has been proven time and again. So where does that leave Jordan? I think Hal is the rock, the stable center of the group, the “Everyman” that most people can relate to. Jordan is decidedly average, but like most people, when push comes to shove he can step up and take the challenge.

Under Johns, I have no problem with Hal. While the copout bothers me slightly, Johns has done well to take an average character and make him interesting to read about. Hal has his flaws, he’s got attitude, but he still has that old school feel to him. Now if Johns was ever to leave GL for whatever reason, that is when I’d start worrying about Hal’s future. Without a decent author behind him, I don’t think Hal could stand all that well. He isn’t unique, due to the vast number of Corps members. His history isn’t as widely as beloved as say Superman or Batman, Hal Jordan isn’t a household name.

So a Hal dominated GL comic can’t really rely upon it’s own merits, it needs that touch from a writer to give it something interesting, a spark of life. Right now I am on the fence with Hal, he neither bothers me or excites me, he’s just there and doing his thing which is fine. One of the reasons I was excited about the new Justice League teaser I saw where Hal laid the law down was this could be a new, very good angle for Hal: The guy who gets the job done, by any means. Taking a page from Green Arrow, this could reinvent Hal. Not greatly change him, but give him a bigger purpose in the world of DC today.

My (Very long) two cents on the matter, reading the Green Lantern comics recently I find them to be some of the best work I’ve read, I like the idea behind it. Plus analyzing stuff can be fun.

1874

WTF 1985? How is that possible the precursor to sinestro corps was written all the way back then? Was it pre crisis or something. I never heard of that shit. Sounds dope.

This is one of the things I cant stand about Hal Jordan. You laid it out exactly. Why are they putting him back as the main hero after all that he did? His ass should have stayed dead or the spectre. They have the other earth gl that could have taken his spot, but did that parallax shit to give him an excuse. It was a cool story though but still he should have been a hermit or some shit after coming back or something. lol

I’m sure he knows this. He was just saying its bullshit that these characters have worthy successors and they keep bringing them back and basically fucking up story lines. I hate when characters are brought back from the dead with some retcon story shifting shenanigans. At least show them downloading their brain in a computer previously before their death and shit lol.

Cosign taichi also talking about forgiving these characters. Im sure sinestro is going to have a hero moment in blackest night which is going to be terrible imo. Dude did some of the most atrocious acts in the sinestro wars. Torture, murder, straight up slaughtering people, one of his sinestro corps members kidnaps babies and shit lol. And they are already foreshadowing Sinestro needing Hal’s help in gl #42 wtf.

1875

this is part of it.

I wouldn’t mind so much if the redemption were legitimate, and not pathetic. But it is.

and it reduced Kyle, a worthy successor to secondary status. It seems like everything that has happened to Kyle since, was the creators ‘punishing’ him for daring to be the Green Lantern.

Very well put.

again, I am not hating on Hal, I’m hating on the poor writing that all of the fans have accepted, just because it meant the return of their character.

I hate the fact that Kyle had to take a back seat for it as well.

1876

How?, it pretty much detailed the entire story. Twenty years before it happened. there are details that are changed, and details that are different (for instance, Cyborg Superman and the Anti-Monitor aren’t mentioned in the Moore story, naturally.

Alan Moore is the genius, Johns is just walking in the footsteps of giants.

and yes, it is dope. Not exactly Pre-Crisis. More like Mid-Crisis.

1877

Thank you, and yeah Kyle is my favorite as I explained in the GL thread, we got a lot in common. So seeing him reduced not once, but twice. (First by Hal’s return diminishing his importance, then Ion being put in another person thereby eliminating the only thing Kyle had unique left.) It’s very annoying, this is the character “I” grew up on, I guess I gotta wait until I’m forty or something to bitch at DC and get him back to prominence.

1878

Im so glad im not the only GL fan feeling the pain of bad writing and gutless character direction. GG is a an amazing green lantern!!

I by no means am a Hal hater but its complete crap that kyle gets pushed aside time and again, as a character he far surpassed hal and they continued to rehash hals existence by throwing him into lame ass temp roles, only his ride as the spectre was even reputable.

Ion was and always will be the most powerful GL his first run he was god tier all the way near omni levels now hes reduced to a queer daxamite who gets beat down by a solar power tween junkie like prime, ok i admit he can hold far more solar juice in his cells but those increased power levels still couldnt match up to Ion.

I get pretty pissed that Kyles courage to be a lantern is always outweighd by jerkhole fanboys who r stuck to jordans ass.

In my opinion they should let Garner get a huge run or atleast a maxi-series where he can really cut loose hes earned that much and they should let Rayner back in the first slot he is the lantern successor besides Hal wiped them all out remorse and guilt dont change that he needs to stay back where he belonged as parallex or dead.

1879

with all of this GL talk what do the panel think of the Gl movie that came out recently? I actually liked the Chris Meroni as GL

1880

Haven’t had a chance to see it yet, will rent it through Netflix sometime this week for sure. Think I might have problems with the live action adaption though, will have to wait and see when a trailer is shown.