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I have mixed feelings. The story was still a mess, but I can kind of figure it out (if I read it a million times). I have to read Revelations, haven’t read any of it yet.

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Really, Captain Carrot and friends had to make an appearance?

In the end, I felt like this story was too “all over the place”. The continuity in panels was confusing, and they seemed to shoehorn things in there for no reason. I feel like it was a 12 issue story crammed into 7 at times.

I wonder when the actual results of this event will be shown in the regular books.

Regarding the (upcoming) new TT lineup, I think I may have been right about something regarding who Geese Pants thought was KF.

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This begs the question, though.

Batman

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Is he doomed to forever be trapped wherever the hell he is?

oops

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Naw. He’s Batman. As of late, he’s almost reached MacGyver level. He’s already working on a plan. That’s probably what he’s drawing on the wall.

yea so fc sucked

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Yeah, I figure that too, but this is supposed to be the end of Bruce Wayne as Batman for the time being. He’ll probably be stuck there for a while (and then he’ll be rebooted in main continuity, probably).

Some insight (not necessarily answers) to Final Crisis in this interview with Grant Morrison.

Oh, and the latest Batman was pretty good this week.

I just read Final Crisis: Revelations #5. I didn’t read any of the preceding issues, and this final issue doesn’t inspire me to track down the rest of it. I could sort of see where Rucka was going with it. The past few years, Montoya and Crispus Allen have been so far removed from their roots that it’s kind of nice to see them get some character development. I think Rucka wanted to give Allen an ending of sorts, and that part of the story works. The rest of the backdrop seems like it’s there just to cash in the Final Crisis brand.

It’s got kind of a generic apocalyptic feel to it. Bad shit’s happening, the Spectre’s gotta put it all back together, yadda yadda yadda. I can’t help but feel like the execution was missing something. Some of the narrative captions were a little over-the-top for me. I can see how Rucka wanted to set a really heavy, Biblical tone, but very little of this issue is subtle.

Also, the art’s really weak. That really doesn’t help Rucka’s story. It looks like a poor man’s Eric Basaldua, whom we all know is really just a homeless man’s David Finch, who in turn is a poor man’s Michael Turner, who was a poor man’s Marc Silvestri… and yeah. Muddy, ugly, and heavily over-inked with a poor sense of drama during the moments that begged for a sense of subtlety. The splash pages and special effects in the coloring looked okay, though.


Also read Final Crisis #7. I didn’t understand most of it, but I liked it. I’ll have to reread the whole thing when it comes out in TRADE, BABY. What I appreciate most about this comic is how Morrison doesn’t give the fanboys what they want (namely, your stereotypical big-event superhero slam-bang multiverse-spanning secret crisis crossover war… with a plot a nine year-old could understand).

There are lots of things that could be analyzed and debated about Final Crisis as a whole. However, I am far too lazy to get into most of those subjects at this time, and probably don’t even have the intellectual capacity to do so even if I were so inclined.

What I will say is that this feels like a post-modern Silver Age retro comic. (And Morrison probably inhaled lots of crop duster fumes and listened to My Bloody Valentine while writing it.) There really isn’t anything else like it, not even in any other Silver Age-style “retro” series. Not even All-Star Superman or Seven Soldiers, which are probably the two starting points of the genesis of this series thematically as far as I can tell.

Final Crisis isn’t about the plot. I don’t even think it’s about the characters as much as its significance to the fabric of DC continuity is concerned. It’s about ideas. Ridiculous, insane, and you-must-be-high-to-comprehend ideas. That’s the hallmark of every Grant Morrison comic. It’s page after page of high concept after high concept. True, it might not make for the easiest comic to like, but I definitely gotta say that I appreciate this sort of thing a hell of a lot more than something like, say, the latest issue of Mighty Avengers or something. At least Morrison’s trying to do something new. At least he’s daring to go against expectations and just write what he wants to write. At least he’s using his imagination.

I’m not even upset that I can’t keep up with his mind. Bewildered, sure, but I only wish every comic I read made me feel something.

This definitely takes the bile out of my mouth that had been gathering since that bullshit Batman: R.I.P. “conclusion,” too. R.I.P. kinda sucks (and will make a lousy TRADE, BABY 'cause of its lack of an actual ending) but I can see Final Crisis being an interesting TRADE, BABY down the line. Assuming it’s reasonably priced and I can save some money on my car insurance by switching to Geico.

First: Revelations. Seriously, the last issue stands out a helluva lot more in context with the rest of the mini. I adored it. It was probably the most mature and well-written discussions of God and the existence of evil I’ve ever seen in a work of graphic fiction. It established Montoya in her new place in the DCU fantastically and gave her a lot of fantastic character development. It finally makes the Spectre a much more nuanced character, while making him more iconic than he’s been in years. The art I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on, as I really liked it.

Second: FC7. I agree that it needs to be commended as something new, something completely unlike any other comic event ever, and one of the most interesting methods of storytelling I’ve seen. I like Morrison’s ideas, and he definitely has a great understanding of the characters he’s writing. However, I am of the opinion that character development and plot should not necessarily be sacrificed for the sake of high concept storytelling. Writers should not be given the benefit of the doubt because the audience can’t keep up with their ideas. I’m not saying that I WANT all of my comics to be Secret Invasions/Civil Wars/Ultimatumsshudder. What I want is to have my cake and eat it too. I don’t think I’m being selfish on this one. Case in point: Thor. This is a book of creative ideas if I’ve ever seen one. Asgard brought back over the backwater, small town, midwest United States. Loki reborn as a women. Asgardians dormant within human bodies after Ragnarok. And this isn’t even getting into the most recent issue, which I would not want to spoil for anyone here who hasn’t read it. Yet while all of these fantastic ideas are being presented, the series never looses site of a sense of a complete, overarching story, nor complex, well presented, well thought-out character development.

None of this is to say I dislike FC. I quite enjoyed it, and it was certainly better than Secret Invasion (which I really liked at first, but petered out by issue 4). But it could have been a lot better if it toned down the concept, or at least presented it in a less congested manner. I have always been of the opinion that it is a writer’s responsibility to not only tell an interesting and unique story, but write it well enough to present it to an audience. FC didn’t quite succeed on the latter part.

That’s true. I just happened to see a copy of #5, so I read it for lack of anything better to do. I guess most people tend not to jump on a series on the last issue, but I’m rebellious like that.

That’s a bold statement. So I’m guessing you’ve never read Bible Stories #173, which is universally regarded as the zenith of holy discourse in comic book form?

That sort of philosophizing is what I expect from a comic about the Spectre. In all honesty, though, this issue didn’t really move me. I guess I just felt like I’d read it before. John Ostrander covered a lot of the same ground in his '90s Spectre series. I was just kidding about the existence of Bible Stories #173. That series never got into triple digits to my knowledge.

[By the way, so we are on the same page, I am not trying to belittle you. Sometimes people, like Painy, who likes stupid Daniel Way comics, get that impression from me. They think I am mocking them when I am simply being a comic book elitist.]

I have no idea what’s been going on with the Crispus Allen iteration of the Spectre. The last comic I’d read with him was that three-parter with the awesome Cliff Chiang artwork. The story in that series was pretty lame, though, so I agree that this issue is a definite improvement. (I don’t think Rucka wrote that one.) I also haven’t read any Montoya comics since the first two issues of that “Five Books of Blood” series. Rucka really likes her, which is cool, because somebody writing these things should.

I’ve read a few issues of Thor here and there and I also really like it. But with Morrison and Final Crisis, it’s not just about presenting new ideas. He presents them in a way that is unusual. There’s a pacing, or a rhythm to it. JMS’ style is completely different from Morrison’s. The style in Thor is completely different to what’s being presented in Final Crisis (or any Morrison comic, really). Morrison’s style is much more distinctive, more poetry than prose I’d say. Think of it as a new dialect for superhero comics of the 21st century, maybe in the same way The Authority created a new dialect when it first came out. I’d even go so far as to say Morrison’s style of writing here is the closest I’ve ever seen a written equivalent of Kirby’s art - all manic imagination and rapid-fire concepts and ideas with no pause to catch one’s breath.

Otherwise it’s like comparing John Steinbeck to James Joyce. The Grapes of Wrath is a great book, but lots of people think Ulysses is, too. But they are two completely different types of novels with different styles and purposes. Do people really understand Ulysses, though? And yet, somehow, that book is loved.

Oh, I don’t think you’re belittling me at all. You’re posts are always a great read.

LOL so this forum got busted down to Media Studios. Ah well, alls I can do is keep doing what I’m doing… :wonder:

FC was alright but I felt it should of either wrapped at 6 or had events in 6 happen in issue 7. Ah well.

Thanks man, I appreciate it. I’ve always carried this inexorable guilt inside of me. I think it’s because of the time I made Sano cry when I used ALL CAPS on him for not liking FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABLES!!!11

I still feel horrible about that, by the way, Sano. I hope you start liking FAAAAAAAAAABLES!!!11 so I can stop feeling guilty about hating you.

That was a long time ago, back when this Forum was under General. You’re living in the past. Stop bringing up old stuff man! :nono: :rofl:

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I read Final Crisis on principle and must say that I’m impressed that Morrison is given that much free rein to publish random crap under the DC banner.

I’m hoping Whatever Happened To Batman is great. =\

WTF @ Batman’s fate. There’s goes my biggest reason to read DC comics.

To heck with Batman, there are various other good series from DC besides his stories and appearances:
Jonah Hex & Sinister Six some to mind, Nightwing and Robin were both good as well recently, I also heard Booster Gold is good too. I personally like the Ousiders, especially since Cassandra is in it.

i love JLA. period

If the end of this week’s Legion of 3 Worlds and Adventure Comics 0 imply what I think they do, then fuck yes.