For everyone saying shit about everybody not being “gangsta” and that any threats wouldn’t amount to anything really need to rethink it from the staffs perspective. For example, lets say that knife incident took place at Evo, even though no blood was shed, the sponsors and hotel management would freak the fuck out knowing there was a guy brandishing a knife at an event they were hosting/sponsoring.
The scene, the way it is now, IMO is hopefully just a start, as more people from the community work their way up, as more games are released, i’m looking forward to a lot of people doing a lot of great things. Maybe someday you won’t even need to money match for 10k, you’ll (hopefully) just be able to go to some regional and make that much.
With that in mind, there is a lot to be protect, and a lot invested by the players, the staff, and several companies, while most of us agree that there should be hype matches and hype players, nothing can be allowed to get to the point where there’s even the impression of anything violent, and to some extent anything illegal at all.
Does it matter if it’s going to happen irl? not really, the issue is beyond preventing actual violence, it’s to prevent even the idea that violence could happen (even by some remote chance) at evo.
Does it matter if your angry, drunk, defending yourself, repping your crew, just playing around, just trying to create hype, or are just a misunderstood gamer? no, the gamers don’t care, sponsors don’t care, media doesn’t care, noone will care about the excuse or the reason. The impression is there, and is 10 times harder to erase, then to just avoid in the first place.
The bottom line, is that if someone looks at a post with your name on it or in it, combined with something violent that is not part the game, it’s a problem. If somehow evo is included in this, it’s a major problem. Even if it was your friend/cousin/mom/goldfish that actually technically did it and put your name in it, even if it wasn’t technically in the same sentence.
I think many people aren’t seeing things this way, but thats the way it is.
At this point a lot of people say “well what about …”:
- What about this person and that incident? This isn’t fair!
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Is that supposed to be an excuse? “Well this guy did something and didn’t get banned, so i’m going be even worse and hopefully i don’t get banned”. Everyone should know the standard (at least on this issue), and it’s not based on what other people do.
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Assuming something does happen, directly or even indirectly by something from an srk poster. Are they going to call them about it? “Listen sir we heard you made a post on srk that concerns us”. No, they are going to call the names on the contract and say “wtf are you doing, are you insane?” Is that fair either? not IMO.
- What about all this hype at Evo?
- Over the years there’s been an increase in games, better prizes, more tournaments, and in general there seems to be more going on. Lets get some perspective, no one player or group can bring enough money, hype, or skill to replace the potential loss overall, and i don’t mean just evo, i also mean the rest of the communities potential tournaments, sponsors, and general image when the next set of people want to promote their segment of the community
Exactly… evo is a BUSINESS move… yes it is for the community but with sponsors and all that there shouldn’t be ANY risk for somthing happening and ruining the work that the owners of this board and many others have put into this and many other tournements.
Not that he would, but if DPC or ANYONE else did come and “shank” or shoot someone there would be no evo next year from a business standpoint. What companies would sponsor a tournement in which someone got physically hurt? Would they have to hold EVO at cal poly again instead of vegas? What hotel in vegas would willingly risk lawsuits and all that BS over the chance of someone getting hurt by another person while attending an event in their establishment?
Business is business… and risking somthing you worked your ass of for nearly 10 years now to make happen and get the word out is just NOT a good idea.
DPC is not bigger than EVO, and certainly not worth the risk. Why should EVO accept less maturity and bend its rules instead of DPC growing up and acting like a real man/professional/civilized motherfucker. If you go to school and want to be an asshole do they change the rules for you? If you get a job and want to be an asshole do they change the rules for you? Then why should EVO? It’s not DPC’s tournament, its everyones. I still haven’t seen an apology from the kid or seen him insist that he was just messing around. All I’ve seen is Watson puttin himself out there for him, which is real respectable, since I’m sure he doesn’t owe the kid shit, and he is honestly trying to help the kid out. I think you would be helping a lot more by letting him learn a lesson. Come on Watson, have you listened to this kid talk? He’s got a lot to learn. It’s not DPC’s world, he’s just a visitor, and until he learns that, hes just going to keep getting himself in trouble. I feel bad for him. He doesn’t seem to possess a shred of common sense, and those without common sense are the ones who are dumb enough to bring a gun to a videogame tournament. Even a 40 pound kid can pull a trigger. Standing up for the kid against a majority, and doing it classy like you’ve done Watts, speaks fucking volumes about you. Unfortunately it doesn’t say shit about the kid. I’ve said most of this same shit half a dozen times in different threads, but its worth repeating. I don’t hate the kid. I don’t even dislike the kid. He’s obnoxious but thats about it. But I cringe at the thought of EVO turning into some gangster wannabe shit, fake or not. Leave that on your street corner and lets do some fucking gaming. Jesus Christ.
i agree with most of you in that business is business and it was right for DP to be banned.
However, how can anyone take DP’s threats seriously?
i mean common look at him, hes a goof: buck-toothed, funny quick cartoonish talk, with the whole “wannabe gangsta” appeal. He sounds like a gerbal trying to be a lion; w/ the squeaky voice–the man’s rediculous. On top of that Hes a horribly bad sport and makes youtube vids to whine/complain about how he wasn’t picked for the team.
compared to most people out there, hes a little bitch. I’m not surprised hes been throwing around threats, hes a big ‘wangsta’ and a sore loser (has anyone ever seen videos of this guy losing a MVC2 game? the emotional trauma u see in his face and body language at the end of the match is astounding).
Yes it was a smart move on EVO for banning him, but people are forgetting that hes a big downer, and i’d say the majority of the community dont want to see him back neways.
wildest shit is, that all this shit talking about dpc is gonna make him even more likely to do the shit nobody thinks he will do, just to prove something.
i dont care if hes banned. evo’s got shit to do. everyone grow up, get good at games, and let the evo staf do its thing. everyone here should be more concerned with getting better for evo right now
Hey, why punish him? The violence is what makes basketball great! Let’s try it for Evo!
anyone else thinks dpc is gonna be on the “yea im banned from evo motherfuckers cant handle the …dutchesss of hell” or someshit, tip.
keep him banned this year, see if he grows up next year, if not ban him for life.
Yeah, that’s right.
The guy plays too well to be gone forever.
You guys are talking about eliminating risk in business, when business itself is all about risk management. I bet half of the guys here have no clue what theyre talking about, so heres a very quick noobish course for you all.
When your evaluating scenarios for decision making, all you due is measure probabilities, measuring risk vs reward (yeah, just like a fighting game).
So lets measure risk: DPC never ever ever punched a single human being, let alone hurted one. Basic statistics saids that DPC will not, ever, hurt somebody. The chances of Wigfall hurting somebody are actually bigger (he tried to punch people before). The chances of Raishinken hurt somebody are actually bigger (maybe something may go wrong in those submission money matches). Heck, the chances of Wizard hurting somebody may be bigger (he may trip over some little kid like DP). So, without any specific tools, its pretty easy to say the risk is as close to zero as it can gets.
Now lets measure rewards, would ya? Evo is known worldwide, its a great experience, getting closer to being a household known event (well, for gamers households maybe) and got Toyota sponsorship last year. Now, what do you think is responsible for Evo getting out of srk, or srk getting bigger? Do you think it is Japanese winning Street Fighter games every year? Do you think its Wong winning Marvel on semi-automatic? Do you think it was that G4 program when everyu single game was basically called a big huge loser? Nope. What everyone sees are the big moments, the hype moments, the crowd moments. As I said before, Evo got 3 amazing promotional videos so far. Nobody give a damn about sucky trailers and 2 year late DVDs. Evo got its name because of Soo vs Wong, Daigo vs Wong and Sanford vs Duc (not released in a decent format so far, BTW). Because tjose matches brought the hype. When anybody anywhere in the world look at those games they can see or hear the huge crowd going absolutely crazy, and this is the only thing that makes Evo or the fighting game community so special. Asides from that, were just a tiny gamers community. DPC vs Wong may bring more crowd noise and excitement than all of those combined, or maybe not, but at least its something that people are really excited to see. Asides from the hope, Evo is not much than an anime convention.
I understand how Marvel haters choose to rationalize everything and disregard any serious business sense when talking about risk. Well, news to the haters: If Marvel loses hype, Evo loses hype, and your game gets smaller. Maybe Evo could get 40% bigger instead of 10% bigger next year if 2k7 gets enough crowd emotion. Maybe DPC will be banned and Evo wont grow as much. Then maybe your fav game will be taken out because they gotta make some room to Wii Boxing. Think about that before spamming rationalizations trying to steal a little thunder from Marvel
BTW, all the talk about banning him this year just f*cks Evo up. DPC will be useful to Evo and the community only one and single time, and this is now in 2007. Its now that he made the video, its now that nobody knows for sure which MMs he can win, and its now that the crowd really cares about DPC’s games. In 2008 DPC will be absolutely useless. He will have lost all his money matches already, but without big screen, without crowd noise, well, without a good Evo DVD (Maybe 2k6 will be the one though, it is sure taking its time). There’s no point in having DPC at any Evo besides 2k7. At Evo West or 2k8 you guys can make iut personal, buty at 2k7 DOC is an attraction, a free attraction that will make your DVD sales boost like theer’s no tomorrow. Or, if you rather go You Tube with it (better for promotion) you mnay get hundreds of thousands of views and promote Evo/SRK like never before.
Seriosuly, imagine how the crowd will be when f*cking Jill is beasting on the biggest trash talker of SRK’s history. Picture that first, and then calculate if the promotion coming from DPC ius not helpful enough to let the little kid in.
evo really has alreadi lost marvel hype…its not even the best footage to watch to improve your game :-x
east coast tournies way more beetta juss less cheddah
Good job factoring in the fact that he has pulled a knife at a tourney.
lets just focus are better MM than just DPC…come on now we got Smoothviper wanting to play Soo mighty again and idk if its been decided but Soo vs Yipes…anyways my point is since we lost all that hype we still have MORE than enough time to create bigger and better MM…personally i would like to see Duc vs Jwong but lol idk if ppl would like that…anyways ppl lets just focus on the truly top players and make more money matches with them involved…drama kept aside
No way. Well, some might be, but for the most part, this is about the minimization of risk–and that is what risk management is about. And it’s very glib of you to assume that the chances of DPC actually hurting or killing somebody is the only considerable threat to Evo that this poses.
The very act of allowing somebody who has both made specific threats and has pulled a knife on someone in the past may be enough to scare off potential sponsors in the future, particularly given the recent scrutiny that violent video games have been placed under by political shitheads with nothing better to do. Make no mistake, this would be very bad for business, any way you look at it.
Approaching this from the other side, what does Evo have to lose by banning him? Granted, he is one of the big hype bringers, but he is far from the only one, and Evo’s loss will only be minor and temporary by him not being there. It is for the best if Evo is going to continue to thrive well into the future. One slightly less awesome year of Evo is worth risking to ensure that there aren’t a lot of really shitty Evos in the future, or none at all.
And this thing about the Marvel haters doing this as a conspiracy to wipe out Marvel at Evo is just fucking sad.
Good stuff.
He won’t be missed.
The kid being banned is his fault. First he pulled a knife on genghis and another time he had a gun ready for wigfall at the PSM tournament. Although the kid hasn’t actually hurt anyone with those weapons the thought of it actually happening really sucks because he’s brought those types of weapons to these events. He needs to chill and just sit back and stop all that ruckus. When he can do that - it’s possible he’ll be allowed to come back - might not be this year though.
Duc
Look at it this way, imo, as a proffesional business that attracts people from all over the world, they need to be 100% sure that their tournament is safe for the people there. One guy threatens to hurt someone (no matter whether he will do it or not) it is no longer a 100% factor, but 95% (lets say). Why risk the well being of other people at the expense of one big mouthed guy? It isn’t worth it… 100% is better than 95% & some guy who you don’t even know what’s going to come out of his mouth, let alone his pockets. Sure people might say “oh he wont do this, he’s soft as shit that” but that’s not the way he presented him self. He wants to act all G then treat him like that, it’s no one’s fault but his own.
Letting DPC back into EVO after being officially banned will just make things worse. there will be 10x the talk, shittalk, and speculation of what will happen on irc/SRK. and DPC will be 10x more likely to do something since the spotlight will be on him. personally i think anyone who has ever brought a weapon to fighting game tournament period should be permanently banned…thats just not something the gamers should have to think/worry about at a peaceful event. but the fact that he’s acted on his shittalk - pulling a knife on genghis - i cant believe that we’re even talking about him and his name hasn’t been permanently banned from SRK to begin with. SRK/EVO staff are far too forgiving.
For the simple fact that they made a thread to discuss this is enough for me to believe that he wont be banned. If he was gonna be banned then they would have made this thread and locked it. I could care less to be honest if he comes or not… He didnt make Marvel hype the community did.