Dark Prince aka Duc Jr. is officially banned from the Evo series

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The risk, as mentioned in the last post, is not about violence actually happening at all, The risk is in implying that violent or illegal behavior is somehow a part of evo, part of the players that attend evo, accepted, tolerated, looked up too, or anyway involved.

Just to compare, when someone posted about playing non fighters in byoc, people jumped all over him, now when the subject of violence comes up, people are more accepting. It makes no sense, and that is what needs to be stopped immediately if anything is going to be resolved.

Daigo vs Justin happened directly in the tournament, Sanford vs Duc was a rematch from the tournament. Wong vs Soo was still part of a organized 5v5 event.

Interesting that you bring up those three as your examples, where are the e-drama matches in that list? Maybe people keeping it in the game, being themselves, and trying to win is actually more hype than people that need to push the envelope and shock people into playing attention? Is it possible that the e-drama matches are overrated?

People supporting these matches aren’t getting the point, all that matters is NO VIOLENCE, do we need new avatars? billboards? maybe capcom should remake their intro message: “Winners don’t come strapped”…

Seriously, something that should have been a 10 minute conversation that went like “ok, i see we can’t associate these things with the community, i’ll find another way”, turned into people getting banned, etc… if’s it’s dpc, justin wong, daigo, whoever, if they want to get hype that way, they should stay home. There’s nothing else to it.

I know watson and some other people want to resolve it. Just IMO, unless this point is accepted and embraced by the community and the players involved, there’s no point in continuing.

Saying things like “we’ll just do it somewhere else” or “the benefit outweighs the risk” aren’t helping at all, just sit down for a minute and think about it, then go about it the right way instead of making the problem worse or trying to even justify this ridiculous situation that should have never gotten this far.

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Who gives a shit about DPC! If anyone is going to evo just to watch this kid… iono wtf? (maybe check ur sexuality?)… think about it… is DPC really gonna bring new people to come to EVO? NO!! Only people he gonna attract is people who are already going to evo anyways… who gives a shit about DPC!

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Capcom should indeed remake their intro message as it is clear that winners DO, in fact, use drugs.

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Your fists are a weapon , you theratened to use it, and you’re still a big part of what makes Evo really nice.

FMJ - Duc vs Sanford and Soo vs Wong were NOT part of the tourney. But, if it makes you feel better, I suggest that Evo does Wong vs DPC as a side event too, if that’s what is needed to make something count. In the event or not, if this happens you know that will be in the big screen, and you know that 90% of the players there (including VF peeps) will stop to watch it. And, the most important, you know that this will give Evo an huge boost on You Tube or whatever.

“The benefit outweight the risk” is of course an appropriate argument. If you’re simply against violence point blank, then your world would be like that movie Demolition Man. Nobody would use violence against Snipes and he could inflict eternal pain on everyone. The same , although far-stretched, apllies here. If you will stop doing things by the mere mathematical possibility of violence, we should not do any tourney at all, because there is a mathematical possibility that somebody will punch somebody someday. If you believe Evo should exist, you’re just saying that “the benefits outweights the risk” and you agree with me.

BTW, I do agree that Evo should not tolerate or stimulate any kind of violent behavior. But, unless you want to ban half of the community or stop throwing tourneys altogether, you giotta find ways around that. Security is one of them. Getting players in agreement is another, which worked fine 100% of the time so far. Get Neiman, Reset and other DPC pals to tell him to shut up and everything should be fine (everthing should be fine regardless, but we’re throwing some extra condoms just for the sake of it here)

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Huge crowd noise brings more people to Evo, DPC brinbgs huge crowd noise. Now do the math for Evo 2k8. And the best thing is that we don’t even need DPC for 2k8, just his MMs from 2k7 on video

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considering you’ve never been to evo, you should really shut the hell up now.

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why is this thread still open?

if evo wants to succeed it needs sponsor money. no sponsor is going to give money to an event if it is associated with violence. it will be bad for their image.

why do you think the NFL fires coaches for going to strip clubs? why do you think the janet jackson titty popping was such a big deal? its all about the image. bad image, you lose sponsor money. sponsors dont want to be associated with that kind of bad press.

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The fact that differentiates DPC’s case against these others is the fact that he has pulled a knife on someone, and according to Duc had a gun at a PSM tourney, and the fact that EVO isn’t just a random tournament anymore, its a business.

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This probably needs to be said a few dozen more times, so it’ll finally sink in. Corporate sponsorship doesn’t fall like the gentle rain from above. If the sponsors get even the slightest wind that Evo isn’t 100% safe and on the up-and-up, they will bail and Evo will be fucked.

Fuck’s sake, man, a quiet dude with no prior history of violence just shot up 33 people at V-Tech. The last thing we need is a bunch of mass media types taking an interest in behind-the-scenes threats at a national fighting game tourney.

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But you’re missing the fact that there was a threat. It isn’t “on the off chance of violence”; if it was, DPC wouldn’t be banned, but everyone would be. He made threats that he is known to at least attempt to back up, which is a HUGE risk, not “an off chance of violence”.

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another fact is that DPC simply lucked out that he pulled a knife on the person that he did. i know lots of people going to EVO who, if they had a knife pulled on them, would not simply walk away. that is a life-threatening instrument and basically to have a knife pulled on you means someone wants to take your life. that means kill or be killed. what DPC did is in no way a joke or something to be taken lightly. he should be thanking his lucky emo stars that the person he pulled the knife on wasn’t crazy/trained/had nothing to lose/etc. enough to where he would have called the bluff.

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Game. Set. Match.

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too true… if he pulled that stunt on someone else and something actually went down, say goodbye to evo (and possibly to a top player)

eh, i just wanted to see ruby/jill/ken matches… but i guess that can wait. i aint really trippin… i think it’s a good move. someone a couple months back got shot and killed because of other peoples’ beef at a party…shit happens and i can see something like that happen is anything get’s escalated, especially considering dpc’s threat.

and about that whole 95% chance shit, play some poker and you will realize that bad beats happen all the time, that 5% seems like 50% sometimes…

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I said banning him was good and mike should be banned as well, temporarily, but dpc’s reaction should make him banned forever. He could have at least tried to be a man and grow up and take responsability for his actions and apologize. He could have done it by making an interview video to redeem himself, but instead kid goes and digs his grave deeper (makes the situation worse).

He still doesn’t get it, like when duc said what dpc said and then dpc started arguing over pointless details. It doesn’t matter what he said exactly or what people thought he said, point of the matter is, he pulled a knife. You don’t do that to other people, especially over something, that maybe one day he’ll realize, isn’t as important someone’s life.

I think he should stay banned, people need to learn that actions have consequences and that they are responsible for their own actions.

edit: clarity etc

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Yeah, and that the fighting game community and the Evo organization do not tolerate real life threats of violence and never will.

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QFT.

Pulling a knife on someone is a no no. You can try to spin the “he’s good for the game” view any way you want and it changes nothing. You don’t do that.

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yep.

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IF you depend on a fucken no-common-sense-anger-driven-cant-control-himself person to bring EVO up… then you got some serious god damn issue…

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I feel a lot safe now. I have seen Dark Price Fighting style and its pretty Frightening…

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almost all of the main tourney gaming at the past several Evo’s (at least the past 3) have been incredibly dull, minus the extremely rare yipes/duc entertainment.

Hell, it has gotten so bad that last year’s most exciting Evo moment was freaking rock paper scissors in the hallway.

Dark Prince being in the games would have at least given us someone new to watch.