Dance with the Claw: Vega Match-up Guide/Discussion

If thats all you got out of my post, i suggest you re-read and think about it more. Im not here to argue, im here to discuss.

The conclusion of your match up numbers is based on the bison match up is based in one scenario, that doesnt happen much, and becasue of that one scenario all options leading to that moment dont matter. Hence why Lax and like dont post here anymore. Because you disregard all this information, and say no not possible this beats all with out thinking.

Its like saying Blanka is 6-4 becasue you cant wall dive at him. Or that Dhalsim is 4-6 becasue Vega can RCF all day on his wake up. Do you see it now?

Vega vs blanka is 6-4 :stuck_out_tongue:

but i guess it would be higher if we could wall dive

seriously tho, i dont even look at matchups like this… it’s never that easy. blanka and ken are my easiest matchups IMO… but there are still some that can beat me. I got put in losers at evo by a blanka.

the inverse is also true. Sim and gen are my worst matchups but there are some i can beat. you cant realy guage it off the character. you gotta guage it off the player IMO

I’m so glad this matchup is being discussed. I have a lot of problem with it and all the information being posted is very appreciated! :slight_smile:

Also, Scissor pressure. After a second l.sk, you can poke him unless he FADCs his way back in on the second sk. That poke gives you an option to get out of the corner and out of that loop.

I see what Pedo’s saying. He’s just defending lax’s stance as to why he doesn’t post here much anymore. And to be honest you just exhibited exactly what he was saying…

I mean he put out alot of useful information on the matchup and you pretty much disregarded it dude. No one’s arguing though, just discussion and that discussion is gonna help whoever decides to pay any mind to it

Lax and others shouldn’t get mad just because some people come in here with strong opinions in the other direction.

I sit back quietly and read almost everyone’s post, and when certain individuals speak up, even though I don’t comment, I read intently and take a lot away from the post.

I’m not trying to dick ride, but lax, typically when you put your two cents, I read it very closely and take it seriously. That doesn’t change if others come in here, no matter if they are respected players or not, and contradict you.

In other words, I hope the higher level players don’t stop posting just because other players can post things that tick them off. Because there are still some intermediate level players in here like me who are reading what you say very closely, even if I don’t chime in for moral support often.

For instance, I learned from Lax that I should be jumping in on Bison more. I never jump in on him. Also, I probably don’t sit on down back enough.

What are people talking about being able to Bison’s short after his second scissor? I’m not too clear.

Are you saying that two lk scissors blocks puts him at a range that his next move will be stuffed by Claw’s four framers, or that two linked/chained crouching shorts means you can stick a four framer in his block string, or will two repetitions of c.lk xx lk scissors put him where claw’s c.jab will win out?

Also, is focusing pretty much a bad idea against bison during footsies unless you do it on reaction? I wasn’t having much luck with throwing focus in my footsies. It seems like random focus is a better idea against chun li than bison.

What is my idea footsie range on bison?

Is meaty c.lk a good option on Bison’s wakeup? What is the best pressure to use on Bison’s wake up? Because baiting a lot isn’t helping me.

Thanx, later, bye.

free meaty pressure is

you end your combo with EX FBA. You whiff a ST, which one you use depends on you, and what you want to use. And use cr.mk. If he reversals, you simply block in time and punish. If he backdashes with out reversal timing he gets tagged and you finish the combo. if he blocks you get to use cr.mk xx RCF. If he always back dashes whiff hk.ST then CH. After ST, you whiff another and use cr.lk, or you whiff cr.mp instead after you hit with ST and immediatly jump in. Safe jump there. Or after ST you use semi-meaty FBA. Options are there and limitless.

And after two reps of scissor kicks, Bison has to guess does he throw a cr.lp or is he blocking. He can do EX SK and punish your cr.lp. Or he can use EX PC to punish a jump back, but EX PC isnt fast enough to tag your cr.lp. If he uses cr.mk or what not, he is out of range and you beat his follow up. So Bison has to guess on what you do, and if he guesses wrong it really hurts him. So he takes more risk with low reward, and gives up meter for trying to play his usual game.

Much appreciated for all the info on the Dictator match up.

Hey

Halfway done my revisions on the mu guide

WOOOOOOOO! go jozy

hm, any of you vegas wanna do some training matches on psn?

who you play as?

Hi all,

How do you all fight against Feilong? Any matchup strategies I should take note of?

i’m a bison player. i’ll check this forum back soon to see if any of you guys are interested. i’m on psn:liluoke

sure but by the time you get this i’ll probably be at school… lol

hit me up tomorrow morning around 10ish

HEy Vegaman I sent you the matchup info on Ken right? Just wanna make sure I’m not writing somrthing I already have

I didnt see anything on the Ken matchup from you at all. I never got anything sent by you either lol.

i double checked sasaki’s thread and i see nothing from ya. I’ll do a couple searches in here to see if it was missed but to my knowledge there’s nothin

yeah i just did a search of the forums and this thread. total of 30 pages and nothin lol… if you wrote one it was for vanilla and well hidden

used Keywords “Jozhear” and “Ken”

KK. I remember when you first mentioned this writeup stuff that I threw one together for KEn really qquick, but i’ll do another one.

Well at post 957 you said you did it but I never got it and it wasn’t posted