sorry to burst your bubble khang, but tiers are still structered by characters in 3s. i swear to god, by your little rant you make 3s seem alot deeper than it really is. if i was a noob i’d be convinced that 3s was the best game ever just after reading your post, haha…
This line really had me cracking the fuck up earlier, because it’s basically what 3s advocates are saying (or trying to insuinate) in a nutshell and it’s simply not true. There was a time that 3s was my preferred game for about 2 years and during that time, I didn’t think it had any kind of matrix-like infinite possibilities or anything like that…that’s silly. Just take the game for what it is - there are definete tiers, but the way parries work in the game allow you to distort the tiers somewhat, depending on the level of the player. But guess what - you can use a similar “the game engine distorts tiers” argument for alot of other games. This is absolutely nothing new.
ahahahaha my apologies. let me clarify what i was saying. i never said that there were no tiers in 3S. don’t assume i fall into that bandwagon tiers are generally determined by the character’s strengths and weaknesses. however, my take is that because of the parry, character’s strengths and weaknesses are not as evident, which pans out the characters more along the same lines. thus, the skills of the players are more of a determining factor in the outcome of the match, BECAUSE the likelihood that they are exact equals ~ 0.
i put up my post because i wanted to strike at the many bandwagoners we have on SRK. like i said, yun/chun/ken do not DOMINATE top tier, they’re just picked more because of their ease in winning. obviously their strengths are their strengths and their weaknesses are their weaknesses, but we all know how often we get arguments along the lines of “character A is much better (when they are not) because player B wins with them all the time!” – it might be clear to you art, but there are many who are dumbfounded by such ideas
Lets put everything to rest already, CVS2 has tiers… 3S doesn’t, why!? Because Hugo gave Chun-Li a fucking beatdown… I believe 3S doesnt have tiers, since everything except grabs can be parried. I do find Sean to be most shittiest character in the game though, hasnt been the same since 2nd Impact…and Yun to be overpowered w/ Genei-jin and small meter…
CVS2 is just broken with roll cancel written all over it, the game would be decent if there was a ban on it in Tourny’s…
This thread used to be decent. Until the day of the scrubtalk. Let’s recap:
“AKUMA R TOP TIER! RAWR!”
“US ONLY USES YUN/KEN/CHUN, BUT THAT DOESN’T MAKE THEM TOP TIER!”
“Penis, cock, cock, cock, cock, cock, balls.”
“3S HAS NO TIERS! IT R TEH L33TZ0RZ OF FIGHTING GAMES!”
“TWELEVE RUSHES THE FUCK DOWN! LIKE MAGS, BUT BETTER!”
“HUGO RAPED A CHUN! HUGO R TOP TIER! RAWR RAWR!”
It’s pretty pathetic, when you stop to look at it.
Edit: And there’s the omnipresent “LALALALALALALALLAALALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU!”
sigh… my user title or whatever its called is a inside joke among friends… and yes sean is indeed the worst character in the game. It’d be better if they took him out the game completely, he’s been casted in the shadows, only in casuals would Sean be played.
Please just face it, every single character w/o SEAN(again I don’t see him as a character in the game) is usable in this game, Ryo-Shin’s Remy, YSB’s Hugo, KSK’s Alex(even though he switched to Makoto), and Necro players whose names I don’t know -_-;;. Elena is also used to a great extent w/ her tick throws and crazy normals, is used in the game.
“If Sean wasn’t in the game…” “It’d be better if they took him out of the game completely…” “Only in casuals would Sean be played…”
He is in the game. So is Twelve. And Remy’s not total trash, but he simply could be a lot better. Genei-Jin simply has more damage output for less meter consumed than anything Remy can do. So does Shippu.
Just because a character’s usable doesn’t mean they’re on equal footing as others. That’s where tiers come from. In a good fighting game every character should be usable, but there will be some that are better than others. Better balance just means this gap is smaller in between.
You’re not going to convince anyone in their right mind who knows anything about 3S that a player entering with Remy or Hugo or Elena will stand as much of a chance as someone entering with Yun, Ken, and Chun. Maybe there’s a reason KSK, who’s been known for his Alex for years, switched to Makoto.
Christ, I like 3S and all, but some of these arguments are ridiculous. Wake me up when you see Hugo winning a major consistently.
All competitive? Maybe. All equal? Certainly not. And if we’re going to just wish Sean out of existance when considering tiers for 3S (the greatest game of all time as proven indecisively by absolutely nothing posted in this thread), it must therefore be no less unreasonable to do the same for other games like CvS2 and MvC2… and this is exactly what top players do every day.
In all seriousness, no it wasn’t. The topic destroyed any hope of meaningful discussion before the first response was posted. We might as well be discussing what the best shade of blue is.
balanced fighters do they even exist its pretty much impossible unless you have one character for each game.
3s seems to get the vote of having the most balanced but doesnt cvs2 have way more characters anyway if you droped the dans and ryo’s of that game maybe it would be equal.
you will always have characters that are better than others its just the way things go the only game for me to come close to balance is VF.
Anyway this thread was bound to start people flaming in disbelief as everone says their fighter is the most equal.
yes. i’m not arguing the fact that chun/ken/yun indeed are the favorites of 3S, but the whole point of my post is to argue how there are many players who go “yun/ken/chun ARE TOO GOOD” – parry is the equalizer of the game, and those who complain are only finding a way to excuse them from not playing better.
I’m saying that the characters arent used like characters like dhalsim/zangief/ryu/ruby/omegared/etc. in mvc2 and joe/vice/dan/maki/raiden and such in cvs2. I’m saying that charcters in 3S are used in tourny use in Japan, sure they don’t win, but at least they’re used in high-end play.
Seriously, you can’t believe that parrying is the equalizer. The truth is that yun/ken/chun ARE too good. They have so many options compared to everyone else and give out a lot of damage.
of course i can believe parrying is an equalizer. it doesn’t make yun = sean, but it definitely gives sean more of a chance to win with it than without it. obviously ken has a plethora of options vs oro…and that’s why ken is chosen more than oro, and is placed higher on the tier list. but you can’t deny the fact that EVERYONE has their strengths. a great yang player can rush people like crazy. a good dudley can consistently zone with all of his moves. a great urien player can have aegis out more than not. almost all of the characters are finely balanced, because each one is unique and have their own styles of playing. 3S is a game of mental challenge and momentum plays a big role. it’s not confined to the old ways of SF, where fireball + srk = good. just think about it. almost every character has a dominant play style, and they’re able to use that playstyle considerably more because parries exist. it turns momentum.
all in all, i’m just saying that some posters overexemplify certain characters, when for the most part, an upgrade in skill will certainly ease the situation.
thanks people for not replying to my post, anyway Urien is top tier still in japan, 1 super and its half your life, Makoto should be top, her pokes are great and once she parrys DF+P then parry repeat. Tootall won the Phnx…Tucson tourny with his badass necro.
As for cvs2 i think it became more unblanced when people found out about RC.
tiers are generally determined by the character’s strengths and weaknesses. however, my take is that because of the parry, character’s strengths and weaknesses are not as evident, which pans out the characters more along the same lines. thus, the skills of the players are more of a determining factor in the outcome of the match, BECAUSE the likelihood that they are exact equals ~ 0.