OK these two are some of the best fighters Capcom has ever made.
And their both good for competition. But which one is a tad bit more balance then the other, is my question?
I’ve always wondered and of course I think I have an idea of which is a tad more balance, but I would like to hear some opinions.
I think that 3S is a bit more balanced than CvS2.
I think CvS2 is more balanced. The tiers aren’t as clear cut like in 3S, with total Chun, Ken, and Yun dominance.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Thats why I think CvS2 is a tad more balanced. Hopefully some others will give their opinions.
Id have to say 3s is more blanced. Ive seen some great games with ALL the characters. Oro can really do damage if played right.I’ve also seen some pretty beastly Dudley’s. Did you watch the SBO vcd? That guys Makoto owned everyone! Where as CVS2 its really only the same characters over and over. Almost all on the Capcom side too.
Is this a serious comment?
The part about 3s is.
3s is most balanced/best fighting game ever. :tup:
The only good part about 3s is makoto perfecting yun. Whether it’s balanced i don’t know, it’s pretty fair tho.
3S of course. Even with the overwhelming dominance of it’s regular tiers like Chun, Yun or Urien, practically every character in this game can be a mayor force if used correctly.
CvS 2 also has it’s good set of powerful, non-scrubby characters but at the end it all comes down to the same Cammy - Sagat - Blanka shit.
1st: Kindebu (A-ken/sakura, bison, blanka)
2nd: Ricky Ortiz (A-Vega, Sakura, Blanka)
3rd: John Choi (C-Ken, Guile, Sagat)
4th: Dan (C-Ryu, Ken, SAgat)
5th: Justin Wong (C-Vega,Chun,Sagat)
Buktooth (N-iori,morrigan,hibiki)
7th: Eddie Lee (A-Mai,Eagle,Vega)
RF (A-sakura,bison,blanka)
3 sagats (1 in top 3), 3 blankas, 0 cammy, 0 teams with both sagat and blanka… 2 entire teams of 3 with none of those 3 (which is better than marvel even, IIRC ZERO teams had neither sent nor storm, and i don’t think that game is more unbalanced either)
Obviously I’m going to say 3s.
Howsomever, lemme say why. I think it was Viscant who made the (really good) point I’m totally paraphrasing here - “There’s no point in picking ‘low tier’ characters in CVS2. The characters aren’t really that different, so the only change is that upper-tiered characters can do the same things, but better”. It was something like that.
In 3s, all of the characters have different playstyles. Hell, the same person may play a character differently just depending on which Super they pick. It’s not easy to win with certain characters, but they’re still viable. In CVS2, the only real balancing factor is that it’s team-based. You can pick one mid-tier char and 2 generic tops, and you might gimmick some life off of the opponent by using unique strats with an underplayed char. But it’s generally implausible to win with Kyosuke, Dan, etcetera unless you put some A-Sak or A-Bison behind them, at which point you could’ve put anyone in that third slot instead of Kyosuke/Dan. It’s like just throwing that slot away.
The only thing that balances CVS2 is that it’s a team game. 3s may not be overtly and perfectly balanced, but there is still sufficient reason to pick underplayed characters.
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Pretty much what thongboy said.
The thing I like about 3s and some 3d fighters is that not every character is played the same way, much like cvs2. Not everything is by the book, the player can choose to play it his own way and create setups, and there’s more intuition (of course also guessing) involved.
That’s exactly what I tried to say (well, kinda), most people can have confidence on their own teams if they don’t one of this Top Tiers along in their team (or on the other hand, having a good poking shoto like Sakura). As with Cammy, i’m as well surprised that she’s not on the first places, but that doesn’t change the fact that she’s top tier an also scrub-friendly.
so wait, first it’s top tier, then it’s “well it’s not top tier but they can poke well”, when does it end? when we go back to karate champ where the two characters are the same?
I don’t think you would feel the same way about cammy if you actually explored the issue. What stops me from just talking shit on any character in any game? ok… akuma is broken in 3s… even tho he hasn’t dominated anyone for years, he’s still broken… how is your cvs2 cammy argument any better than that?
Yeah I have also seen some vids in Japan were even Bison does very well against Sagat. As well as Rolento vs Sagat. As well with teams with Honda, Ken and even Geese.
While the tournaments here in SRK, I usually see at 1st 2nd or 3rd consisting of Yun, Ken, and especially Chun-li. Mabey it was just SRK that gave me this impression of the tournaments here?
It’s basically a community problem. Since we can’t ALL play each other, each region develops the game on its own. Part of learning almost every game is to use the top tiers. So you get the good players using, for instance, ken/chun/yun.
Since in the us we are spread out, you get the florida ken/chun/yun, the EC ken/chun/yun, the midwest ken/chun/yun, etc… so by the time the majors roll around, you get 10 of each in one tournament. Since there aren’t enough really good players in each region, there is no diversity in the characters, and as such the games seem more broken than they could be. Also since noone plays each other enough, people get too much time on their hands and actually start believing the crazy things on SRK.
I would find it hard to even call ‘balance’ a real term, it has so many what ifs, it’s almost not worth discussing.
In CVS2 there are like 50 characters, though. If 8 of those get regular play, does that mean it’s a well done game? That’s like saying Marvel is balanced, and we all know that’s horseshit.
Like I said, because it’s a team game, we overlook a lot of things in CVS2. There are big-time counter-character issues in that game that simply would not fly if you didn’t have 2 other characters to round it out. Does that equal ‘balance’? For me, no.
The way I see it, 3s works because each character has its own flavour, and I can still beat some really solid Kens with Necro. Hell, I beasted on a competent Alex player with Twelve once, I wish someone had that on tape. I think it takes a lot less, err, chutzpah to pick Remy or Q than to go with an all-mid or all-low CVS2 team.
A great example just happens to be up on A-cho right now. There’s this Hugo, Hayao, who happens to be one of the best players I’ve ever seen in my life. He totally rapes (yeah, I said it) a bunch of Yuns, Kens, etcetera. I have some other footage of him doing the same in the last tourney there. 3s is well known for this sort of thing, remember SBO? WHO THE HELL THOUGHT A MAKOTO WOULD WIN? But it doesn’t work the same way in CVS2, because of the way the game is built. R4K-Raiden just doesn’t cut it all the time (thought I nearly shat myself when I heard about it).
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the title is shrouded in ambiguity.
are you asking which game has the most balanced characters by number (1,2,3,etc)
or
which game is more balanced?
if latter, 3s wins. if not, cvs2 simply because tournaments are not dominated by 3 single characters. don’t kid yourself if you think 3s isn’t dominated by any more than that. it’s not often you see a character that isn’t chun/ken/yun win a sizeable tournament. the other characters are just pretenders. cvs2 has the worse ratio of useable characters in high-level play though. still, the game is dominated by ck-sagat, capk-blanka, any-groove cammy, a-sak, a-bison, c-ken/guile
The first one actually. But I guess the overall is more important?
Or the more charcters that can be used?
So 3rd strike has 3 main that will usually win the majority, but the others have somewhat of a slight chance. Giving it a balance of whole majority but still advantage mostly to the 3.
While CvS has the more balance of more top characters being used, while the others basicly have no chance at all.
So does this mean that their both balance but in their own way?
I think Hoonyo got it down to a tea. Do most agree with this.