simple. Cvs 2 sucks. Duh
you can say the same about 3s. many people considers elena a washed down chun li. correct me if i’m wrong, but wasnt viscant the same person that says 3s is one of the most unbalanced games?
majority of the characters in cvs2 also have different play styles especially when you factor in the grooves. ex: A,K,S groove bison are totally different characters.
i say cvs2 is more balanced than 3s. i’ll post why tomorrow or whenever i feel like it.
why don’t you check my sig.
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Actually I think that 3s is far more balanced than CVS. There are plenty of characters, like Garou, which can all be used effectively if one is good enough. CVS has like 40 chars and only like 10 are useful.
3s is tha best and dat goes to all ya’ll naggas
The exact quote would be “3s is the worst game ever, except for EVERYTHING else out.”
Who are these many people who think Elena and Chun are the same? I’ve never heard that before (although I can see where the idea would come from). Even assuming it were true, that’s one example that barely fits. In CVS2 it’s more like “Character A is cool, but Character B is like A but with much better pokes and a grab super. I’ll stick to B”.
Also: Who the hell plays S-Bison? In 3s, you’re fighting a different Necro depending on if he’s using MagStorm, Slam Dance, or ElSnake. Makotos can vary greatly depending on if it’s SA1 or SA2. Hell, the opponent has to change up depending on what threat is represented by the super. But they’re all viable SAs, and any given player could win using that playstyle. But A-Bison is kind of an industry standard in CVS2. If someone has a good argument as to S-Bison being just as good as A-Bison, I’d like to hear it.
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S-Bison is less gay.
For real tho… Who does play S-Bison? and Hell no elena is not a washed down Chun-li she aint got no back firece that totally takes every thing out ( exaggerated on every thing but ya’ll know whats up ) and she sho the fuck and got no fast ass crouchin forward like if it was a crouching short!
That’s a generalization used to conceptualize Elena/Chun’s design to people who aren’t very deep into the game. They probably mean it in the sense that they have low medium-attacks into easily hit-confirmed deadly supers, as well as very good kara-throws. Once you get into serious Elena/Chun players, the similarities end there.
And it looks like Thongboy corrected your Viscant quote.
I see…
Ken, Chun and Yun are the easiest to win with in tounrmanet play. Under pressure, with those two, you dont have to think as mucht o get the job done. With that being said, almost evey character in the game in the right hands stands somewhat of a chance.
Id say sean, hugo, q and 12 are pretty useless, but anyone else def stands a chance.
Hayao is the TRUTH.
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Almost everybody besides Kyosuke is playable in CvS2, so I don’t understand why theres even a debate on this. CvS2 has a fairly large upper mid tier, whereas 3s, outside of the big 3, you can only really use Makoto and you have to be lucky in order to have a chance at winning. Even at the big 3, its pretty rigid, they each have basically only one SA they are competitive with. Meanwhile, in CvS2, even the top tier chars are usable in a few different grooves and there are often times debate on what the chars’ best groove really is.
3s has parrying, which sucks, and CvS2 has roll cancelling, which sucks too. Both games are pretty shitty. I guess I’d give the nod to 3s as the more fun to play, but neither game is something that you can seriously play a lot of…they’re both only really fun as change of pace games.
If you’re only playing these games a “change of pace” then your opinion dosent count.
Hold up cuzz!! Only makoto?? Nigaa please I be seein some Yangs, Dudley, Urien, Alex, and Necro’s. So I don’t know about that only makoto out of the bermuda triangle having a chance to win
I love 3S but it is in no way balanced. The game IS dominated by Chun/Ken/Yun with Makoto being able to pull of some perfects. Also all these characters are usually stuck with only 1 SA they can use to win. Yeah you CAN play ok with other characters but in the end it always comes down to these three and their lack of variations.
Shit like;
"CVS has like 40 chars and only like 10 are useful."
Shows that many people have no fuckin clue what they’re talkin about. FM Jaguar posted some nice results that proved this entirely. Every day now there are arguments going on about “VEGA IS TOP TIER”, “SAK PWNS ALL”, “RC HONDA IS BANNABLE”… etc. You all see thse threads, they clutter up the boards. Yeah Sagat and Honda are better than most, but they don’t decide the game. Hell A-Bison is more of a decide-the-game character. Everyone in the CvS2 world right now is in debate over who really is top tier shouting out for ‘A-Hibiki is unstoppable’ to ‘Kyosuke isn’t actually that bad’. The fact is with 50 USABLE characters and 6 different versions of each, the only unusable one is King. Anyone who says that it’s all CBS anymore doesn’t know shit about CvS2.
Like I said I love 3S, but CvS2 is definatly more balanced.
Dude, come on now. AUSTRALIA? What the fuck do you know about fighting games?
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You don’t live in NorCal, so unless you’ve been to Evo2k3, you don’t know who Dr.B is.
S-Bison’s dodge punch is generally among the fastest dodge attacks in the game. If you dodge well enough, you can catch people with it everytime and combo into a super. Repeated infinite Lv.1 KPN supers is very annoying for most characters as the flash animation at the beginning of each one can disrupt your input for whatever you’re trying to retaliate with. Not everyone has a built-in escape from this. Even ACs can have difficulty hitting Bison out of a KPN; they most often trade on the first hit. And when Bison himself has an AC ready, he can simply AC into Lv.3 Psycho Crusher. Added mixups like low-jump, dodge/charge cancels off a run, and random teleports are particularly a pain to fight against. Whether or not he’s better than A-Bison is still highly debatable, but he’s definitely a candidate for one of the top S-Groove characters. To say otherwise would suggest that you don’t know the groove, and since good S-players outside of NorCal are practically non-existant, that’s not surprising in the least.
And here, you have yet another example of a character with good potential that is widely ignored or unknown, something that CvS2 has a lot more of than 3S. I don’t understand why some people think the latter as more balanced. Both games have characters that are whored to death. It’s just that nobody wants to take the time experimenting with 40x6 characters when the considerably best ones are plainly visible every frickin’ day, and seeing more characters getting play in 3S has more to do with the fact it has a smaller number of characters (even with different SAs factored in).
At least Kyosuke’s more durable than Sean is. That’s for damned sure.
… Seriously? You ever look at the CvS2 boards lately?
Austalia… way to dodge the subject.
I was kidding. Sort of.
I know about the Doc, and I greatly respect his work. But ONE freak player (or even a handful in one area) don’t make up for a whole broken game. It’s not JUST Chikyuu or Hayao or Tokido or RX etcetera that prove 3s is bigger than just ChunKenYun. Any given tourney there are bound to be several really solid players that use mid/low tiered characters. Character specialization is rampant in 3s, lots of people can stick to someone they love without fear of getting randomly steamrolled by cookie-cutter tactics. Unless you play Sean/Twelve/Q, then you had better be an alien.
CVS2 is unbalanced solely because the characters are not different enough to warrant using only people you like. You WILL be countered by certain types of characters, and you can’t do much about it because it’s a team game and you’ve gotta go the distance. It’s the way the game is built.
For instance, I used to play R4K-Geese. Yeah, I know. But I did passably well at mid-level, because I whored the counter and Deadly Rave is such a great super. But if I go up against the wrong team, or just one of the wrong characters, that’s my ass. Necro vs Ken sucks, but it’s by no means unwinnable. I’d go so far as to say certain matches in CVS2 are just short of unwinnable. Not like Marvel, but up there.
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a few people here and there (elena forums) regarded elena as chun li lite. care to give an example in cvs2?
well technically, theres one real S bison player and 2 or 3 others scattered around. i havent seen much people chose slam dance over magstorm or elsnake but whatever. being a makoto player (a scrubby one), i know chosing different super arts vary the play style in 3s but the same also applies to cvs2. different grooves = different playstyle. K and S bison has low jump, which really helps bison jump forward since his jump is too floaty in non low jump grooves. A groove bison is more about turtling until he gets meter for his CC, S is about pressuring with level 1s and dodge feints, while K bison is more offense oriented.