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popo im just teasing you man, dont take it too seriously

its not like you have to go to a arcade to man up and get practice on american sticks. just buy a mas stick or whatever to practice on p360’s or switch sticks - since youre serious about cvs2 that shouldnt be too much of a investment.

i understand the logic you have about $$ investment for tourneys, but i dont agree with it, especially when there are so few arcade tourenys left and noone wants to show up (like at mwc) cause they cant play on p360’s or whatever, regardless of the fact that if they are great tourneys or not. seems like there never is a perfect medium for everyone to play at 100%. some poeple cant play at full speed on console like myself but i still show up cause theres no other option these days.

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btw, i think this is why buk is ragging on you a bit cause of statements like this

cmon, youve been to enough tourneys, you should know by now that casual means next to nothing unless there is something on the line. anyone can lose in casual

biggzy: i dont think ill be able to make it to ts6. school eats up all my money. i havent been to a tourney where ive seriously played since november. hell the last tourney i entered i showed up to play tekken 5 and that was in january lol. who knows tho, if i can get the funds ill go cause tx is tight.

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colin: sup bro, havent seen you in a while. read my reply to biggzy tho explaining why i probably cant make it. but who knows, i love southern hospitality and i always felt welcomed when i went to atl <3 so we’ll see. maybe i’ll find $600 under my pillowcase somewhere :stuck_out_tongue:

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Ok whoa…

Buk - Damn!

I’m also an console warrior, but I never get compition here anyways, so i attend shitty p360 tourneys. It sucks, cuz i fuck up a lot, but It’s the only way to get experience. If i stay home all day and just spend all my hours in traning mode im not going to get anything done, sure ill work up my execution and all that…But most players really need experience, i think. Especially me, since im a scrub.

Yes, Evilelvis is random, its pretty funny to watch though, activate… Roll, Roll, try to attack again.

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Jesus, is this a strategy forum or a “PPB is a top US player that’s just as good, if not better than the Japanese” board. I don’t care if you are or aren’t, and neither does anybody else.

So give it a rest already.

I don’t think any less of you because Buk made some comments you don’t like. I will think very much less of you however, if you continue to take it personally and keep up the complaining that has nothing to do with strategy or Kim’s vids on this board though.

If you really are an advanced player, then you know not to underestimate the power of P-Rugal at least right? Parry, combo xx take you for a ride --> instant kill on ratio 1’s. Unless you were just joking around or being sarcastic, it was disrespectful of you to trash the guy like that, and even though I wasn’t going to reply, I can’t believe you haven’t let the topic die already yet.

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Rolento vs Akuma

hmm… Akuma doing d.LP, close s.HP xx dp+HK, f+P is too good against Rolento.

The block stun from the close s.HP makes it so I can’t walk back or under.

If I try to s.MP anti-air him, I get grabbed. If I reversal roll, I get grabbed. If I try to jump away, I get grabbed. By the time I’ve registered that Akuma has done a Demon Flip, if I try to jump back LP anti-air, I get grabbed. Dashing forward or back will also get me grabbed.

I’ve two ways out so far that seem reliable to do on reaction:
-RC Scouter Back, instant air d+MK (can’t be air thrown?)
-wait, tripguard level 2 super (level 2 ONLY, since level 3 travels much too fast)

The only other ways out are to take a complete guess and hold up back on the stick to do jump back LP as soon as possible, or to duck down and wait until the last possible second to roll out of the way.

Akuma mixes up the (d.LP, close s.HP xx Demon Flip) with (d.LP, close s.HP xx Red Fireball) to crush my guard or grab me when I flinch, and it seems like a pretty effective anti-Rolento strategy.

Is it ever worth it to just block low and take the Demon Flip HP attack instead?

Are there any other ways out of the string that I didn’t find?

What’s the deal with the frame advantage on that thing? I watched old BAS videos where he sets up a counter hit d.LP, sweep combo from the blocked Demon Flip every time. Other times when I’m using Akuma myself and make the other guy block a Demon Flip Punch attack, I’M the one that ended up getting counter hit though.

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one thing…i think you guys are misinterpreting EvilElvis’s style…

if you’ve seen him play against some random decent guy at an arcade, you will see that he plays a little too patiently and has a solid game. If he’s fighting someone good like Kim then of course he’s gonna take some chances and do crazy things. Even in tournaments. I remember once getting a close tournament win against him only to fall for something crazy, I forgot what it was but it was totally out of nowhere. I can understand this because I play a similar style…

I didn’t feel bad that I lost a tournament to something that looked scrubby (and I really wish I remembered it) and didn’t expect my friends to not playfully lynch me or anything, I mean come on, you gotta have balls with 4,6 offsuit, pocket 4s, etc., cuz sometimes even if you get called, you’ll get lucky on the board…most important part is to not limit your strategy so much that people can predict you. Less so in CvS2, but the factor is still there. That’s why I kinda don’t like to see all these ideas like maybe A-Vice getting shot down…but anyway…

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Rolento vs Akuma

Is it ever worth it to just block low and take the Demon Flip HP attack instead?
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Nah because it sets up a knockdown for him which you don’t need to give him.

jump up xx down + MK. hits clean
Walk forward a tiny bit and crouch, then throw, or slide if you just want to get out of the way.
Jump back xx jab

The counter hit jab is all about timing, it has to be hit as soon as you recover.
Sometimes the size of the character can help too.
On Rolento:
If you do cr. jab, st. fierce, RH Demon Flip, fierce, the fierce crosses up and you land behind him. Rolento is in blockstun while still turned around, this gives you a bit more time to counter hit or throw him.
But on big characters like Blanka, you’ll always land in front.

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Sup PPB, CF/The Break are 4-5+ hours from me and i still go. CF Tourney this weekend! I did use to play on 360’s before but now its like trying to learn how to ride a bike again and barely being able to ride it. Just go to the next console tourney and take it but you might want to go easy on the money matches. :wgrin:

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Every single one of you guys is dumb.

(Waits for response by one person to prove him wrong :rolleyes: )

Look, here’s the deal. There isn’t really a better judge of skill in CvS2 than Buk. Not only has he played against the top players from just about every region, he truly understands the game.

popoblo, you’re taking things personal. I don’t think I’ve met you, and I probably haven’t played against you, but from what I can gather, you’re not as complete a player as Namameso/Uma. I think that’s what Buk is pointing out. you stated yourself that you aren’t experienced against rushdown Iori and N-Morrigan. Apparently Namameso and Uma do better against Buk’s characters. Looking at this logically, that means that they have one less weakness than you. I’ve never met them or seen them play either, but Buk has. Buk probably knows that they do well against any characters. Being forced to play in a Japanese tournament environment, they need to know their characters inside-out (I know all the racist, anti-Japanese statements are going to come out, more on that later). If they have knowledge of more matchups, and because of this can WIN more matchups, that would make them better players. They probably have tons of experience against your characters, so that is why Buk made the statement of 1 out of 10.

And to bring up Buk’s track record against Ricky is humorous. Buk’s characters are MID-TIER. Ricky uses better characters, PLUS they incidentally do well against Buk’s characters. Played at their fullest potential (and Ricky and Buk are pretty much playing their characters to their fullest potential), Ricky SHOULD win. Conversely, Buk’s characters versus YOUR characters, YOU should win. The fact that you don’t means that you aren’t playing your characters to their fullest potential. From your comments, I’m guessing that what you are missing is experience against oddball characters. Your policy to only play console tourneys is going to keep you at your level for a long time. You don’t want to travel and lose because of your execution. However, that means that you are missing out on opportunities to gain quality experience (and btw, IMO you gain more quality experience through LOSING than through winning). Even if you can’t execute offensively, DEFENSIVELY you will gain experience. You said you don’t do well against rushdown Iori and N-Morrigan. To describe Iori as rushdown means that he is on the offensive, and you are on the defensive side of things. You need to learn how to defend against that. You cannot learn defense at home. Morrigan is just a little bitch, and even Buk doesn’t know how to play against her, so I’ll just let that slide.

You think that Buk thinks they’ll win against you just because they are Japanese. That’s not the point. Buk thinks they’ll win because he’s played against you and he’s played against them. He knows the level of both parties. Like I said, he’s the best at judging someone’s skill level. He’s not saying that they’ll win because they’re Japanese - he’s saying that they’ll win because they are more complete (i.e. BETTER) players. I know that you only said that the MATCH was horrible, and I haven’t bothered to watch it, so I can’t comment. I just couldn’t ignore your flawed logic and misinterpretation of statements. I’m not attacking you (God knows, I’m all for anyone using A-Groove!), I’m just trying to show you the rational side of things.

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let’s stop arguing and have milk and cookies at my house

ill screen tournament dvds and we can all hang out

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ok.

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So your saying when playing a someone good you have to outrandom them to win? Good shit ill leave that to you and evil

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damn,triplepost is crazyness

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isn’t that what buk and kim said?

“you’re gonna need to take risks” and some stuff about not playing like a robot.

it makes sense to me, though warren does seem like he’s overdoing it, at least he can weigh out his risk/rewards.

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It’s not like he’s random to the point of losing, he knows how to play.

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all buk knows about are pants with holes in the crotch

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Randomness will fuck all of you bitches over.

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someone else using “better” characters than yours is not an excuse to lose…ever…just thought i would throw that in here cuz i noticed that nobody had said anything about that…you pick your characters, they pick theirs, if that is what is holding someone back then you should pick better characters.

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Haha, Yea, Im hella random lol, I just play on reaction well try, But it works for me :looney:

Yea good point biggzy I think I need to move around some chars’ Sagat doesn’t do big damage for me in the end agasint someone that can play footies with me I’ll either put him first and go balls out, or totally work on a new team. But I just can’t RCBlankaElec’ nor play Bision, im sure I could if I tried but I would be winning with someone eles team, not mines. :sweat: See you guys at Texas :wgrin:

Edit: I have alot of respect for all the CVS2/3s Players, When I was comming up (Still am),Everyone was so open and hella nice to me, some said that when they played me I was a cocky motherfucker, but when they got to know me they said I wasn’t like that at all, I bowed down when I was comming up cause “who was I?”. I gave everyone respect to JC,DASH, GEE-O, All of R.U.N, JEA, ROGER, GILLBERT, MUFFINMAN, WILLIE, CEASER, 40, JASON COLE, ED-MA, BROOD,LAWRENCE,BUK, KIM!, ALL THE PEEPS AT FAMILYFUN, ALL OF DIPSET, EVERYONE IN NY/NJ. Even Valle…They each helped me to become who I am, I took alittle of everyones game and took off with it, But it wasn’t till ComboFiend started to train me and saw the potential in me, that I really understood, that NEXT LEVEL! The countless hours/days/months of getting beat down game after game, but I loved it. It fueled me to keep going. I listened to what he told me, and it started to pay off. That’s my bro’ I can depend on him more than anyone eles, cause he’s always had my back, and I his, Cause it goes beyond the game.
Sure People act like dick’s to me cause I acted like a dick to them, but thats something eles. And I thx everyone.

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It’s not an excuse, it’s a REASON. People don’t comment about it because they know that in the history of fighting games, there have always been matchups that a character is simply at a disadvantage due to its design. You learn to play those matchups as best as you can. It’s called learning your characters and playing them to their fullest potential.

Of course, with the American format of tournaments, counter characters are a possibility. If you can’t hang with a certain matchup, fuck it - switch characters. I think it hinders the improvement of a player’s game in the long run, but that’s just me.

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twisted logic? well then…:

“if i can beat them, then i can beat these guys!”

… it’s your logic.

and why doesn’t this apply to uma vs namameso’s p-groove again…?

ok, a few things here:

  1. you don’t like playing in arcades? pretty much every japanese player that has ever gone to an american tournament prefers japanese cabinets to consoles. they’re actually spending a lot more money/time travelling to american tournaments, to play on your terms. the difference is, if/when they lose, they generally don’t make stick-related excuses. this even applies to when they’re forced to play on american sticks (see n-cubed, ino at nec, random norcal tourneys involving bas/ino/liquid metal, b5 also?)

  2. there’s a difference between not fucking around, and playing seriously. when you see me playing casual, you don’t see me outright laughing or taunting in game or whatever (ok, you do see me laughing, but i’m always laughing at something/someone and people call me an asshole. SHRUGZ), but i generally AM trying stuff out that i wouldn’t do in tournament: trying to do cross up hibiki slashes on chars with different wake up speeds, practicing whiff punishing with iori low roundhouse, going for risky free jump in set ups with morrigan that require funky timing, etc. all of that shit can and will get me killed, but it’s good practice.

and this isn’t just me. P/K groovers are generally a lot more agressive with their parry attempts in casual, because they’re just practicing. a-groovers are a lot more/less conservative with their meter, people rush down in risky situations that they normally wouldn’t, people try to reversal up RC constantly just to practice the timing, etc.

just because they’re not holding up a sign that says I’M NOT FUCKING AROUND, doesn’t mean they’re playing like there’s something on the line.

i think everybody here knows i have nothing personal against anybody on these boards. i mean shit, i only know like what… 4 of you personally?

however, this whole thing has struck me as pretty silly. i’ve met and talked with biggzy before, and i think he knows where he stands in the grand scheme of things. he just thought that uma sucked from the video, which i guess is understandable.

you’re a bit different. i’m sure most people that frequent this board noticed your change after ts5 (or was it evo? i dunno) from “the guy with no comp that wants to learn cvs2 and likes eagle”, to The Big Man On Campus Who KNOWS His Shit. And Still Likes Eagle. But Doesn’t Use Him.

newfound confidence and self-esteem is great and all, but it was pretty apparent that you really believed that you can hang with the top class of cvs2. somebody had to give you a wake up call sometime, and everybody here is too nice to do it except for this mean ol’ mod.

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KCXJ,

Wouldn’t the first hit of Rolento’s s.fierce anti-air Akuma’s Demon Flip Grab?