Doesn’t Geif have insane punch throw range or something?
EDIT: Sorry, thinking of Raiden. >.>;
buk why you got a case of the fuzzies?
i think you should stray from “how many frames is _____” type questions; they’re not especially interesting, and all you have to do is look through the guidebook to figure it out, as opposed to actually thinking
i’d think outside the box more. draw trivia from sources outside of the guidebook, or at least stuff that isn’t directly numbers-related. for example, “which characters can combo off of a throw?”
working it through in your head, you quickly deduce the obvious characters first:
- iori
- athena
- yun
- todo
then, you remember certain chars can juggle a CC off of their throws:
- hibiki
- maki
- chang
- vice
- (probably some others)
then if you really think outside the box, you remember that some chars can combo off of their throw when rolento knife super is involved
… and so on
in the end, it’s your trivia thread, do whatever you want in it. just giving my two cents
also, the book is wrong on the throw distance for several characters. i posted somewhere which characters have equally short throw range as hibiki and yun
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off the top of my head, i think the short throw range chars are (not counting hibiki and yun)
sagat
blanka
bison
gief
athena
the athena one is kind of a shaky guess. i know its some random character from the snk side. sagat blanka bison gief for sure, though. i think im missing somebody, either balrog or honda
Buk, I think you’re the only one who can come up with questions like that easily, or at least in a timely manner. I actually already thought about who can combo off of throws, how many characters have specials/supers that leave you in a juggleable state, who can’t CC off of throws and who has the most damaging supers/combos/cc’s etc. The thing is, I’m not able to get near a training mode at work where I make these and I only have about 1/2 to 3/4’s of a year experience in this game. I’m pretty sure the knowledge you’ve compiled spans at least 5+ years.
If I were to attempt to figure out who could combo off throws for example, I would miss Athena for sure. I would of missed 3/4’s of what you listed for CCing off of throws and I definitely would not be able to figure out which characters have the shortest throw ranges even though I think I know how to test I think (52 pixel throws are based off a c.lp and then a throw attempt correct?).
Answers:
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How many frames of a safe fall are you invincible and how many frames does a safe fall last? 17 and I think 23
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How many frames long are dodges? 35
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In C, A, and N, which act would award you the most meter? (examples: hitting with a short, landing a special, having a forward blocked, etc.)
landed fierce or roundhouse -
How much damage does an alpha counter do on connect and what can they not do?
600 cannot kill -
How many frames earlier can P/K just defend and parry when recovering from a move? (pretty obvious but a good thing to always remember)
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Which # settings are the default speed and default damage? (speeds 1-5, damage settings 1-4)
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Who is the tallest character in the game?
Raiden (crouching) -
How many frames does it take to jump in a non-small jump groove?
6 frames -
For how many frames do level 3 supers stop time?
7 frames -
Which two characters have the game’s shortest throw range?
Yun and Hibiki + all the others buk listed
I’ll try to come up with more intuitive questions for the next set but it could take a while. Especially since I know very little about A-Groove and CC’s.
I’m going to try to avoid frame data questions but w/o training mode, shit’s hard.
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Which fundamental ability did P-Groove gain in CvS2:EO that’s nearly game breaking in competitive play?
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Who was the only non-top tier or non-high tier character used in the top 8 finishers of EVO2k7? (kind of sad really…)
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Why does Sakura’s ground CC break guard bar so quickly and what method can help with guard crushing faster with this CC? (hard to word question but it’s a pretty interesting answer)
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Which four members of the cast can utilize the 2p cross up glitch without using a punch or kick throw?
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Which Capcom character’s sprite was changed in the transition from CvS1 to CvS2? (god the old one was ugly)
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Which level 3 super has upper body invincibility for all of its startup and active frames and who has it (it is not one of the body surrounding supers like double cyclone or RS)?
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Which characters can land a super off of a juggle caused by one of their specials? (I am almost 100% positive I do not know all of them)
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Which characters can land a special off a juggle caused by a super without utilizing C-Groove?
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Who has the games only normal counter that can counter supers and who has the only counter that can be used on wake-up as a reversal?
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Which member of the cast has the worst projectile in the game? It has ridiculously long startup and recovery. (it’s an opinion but still extremely obvious and agreed upon by 90% of the community)
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Which two members of the cast have a super that can be considered cameo appearances?
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Who has the most damaging fierce in the game, standing or crouching?
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Who has the most damaging sweep in the game (2 characters)?
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Which members of the cast have no rapid fire normals?
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Which two characters have CC’s that can lead to off-screen combo’s?
- super cancels
- Morrigan
- HP Uppercut does a lot of hits and moves her forward
- Vice: qcb+P > dp+K; Ken: Shinryuken or Shippu; Hibiki: Dash Super.
- Iori’s Rush Super
- too many to list, I’ll answer this one later. Does anything count? Like traded moves, lvl 2 cancels, special moves hitting airborne opponents, etc?
- Kim: Launcher Super, [d],u+K/TK Dive Kick; Kyosuke: qcb2x+P, jc, qcf+K; Terry: qcf2x+K > qcb+LP; Yun: qcb2x+P, dp+P; there’s probably others I’m forgetting.
- Kyosuke & Yun
- Haohmaru’s far s.HP (3000 dmg wtf?)
- Blanka, Honda, Sagat, not sure who else
- Kyosuke & Chun Li
- Which fundamental ability did P-Groove gain in CvS2:EO that’s nearly game breaking in competitive play?
special move super cancelling
- Who was the only non-top tier or non-high tier character used in the top 8 finishers of EVO2k7? (kind of sad really…)
no idea…morrigan?
- Why does Sakura’s ground CC break guard bar so quickly and what method can help with guard crushing faster with this CC? (hard to word question but it’s a pretty interesting answer)
It hits like 5 times…and doing it so hits twice will crush faster i think,
- Which Capcom character’s sprite was changed in the transition from CvS1 to CvS2? (god the old one was ugly)
chun
- Which level 3 super has upper body invincibility for all of its startup and active frames and who has it (it is not one of the body surrounding supers like double cyclone or RS)?
yamazaki throw id assume
- Which characters can land a super off of a juggle caused by one of their specials? (I am almost 100% positive I do not know all of them)
Raiden
- Which characters can land a special off a juggle caused by a super without utilizing C-Groove?
Raiden
- Who has the games only normal counter that can counter supers and who has the only counter that can be used on wake-up as a reversal?
Geese and hibiki
- Which member of the cast has the worst projectile in the game? It has ridiculously long startup and recovery. (it’s an opinion but still extremely obvious and agreed upon by 90% of the community)
haoh
- Which two members of the cast have a super that can be considered cameo appearances?
kyosuke, yun
- Who has the most damaging fierce in the game, standing or crouching?
I would guess haoh
- Who has the most damaging sweep in the game (2 characters)?
Chang and gief?
- Which members of the cast have no rapid fire normals?
fuck this is hard…honda…sim…rolento, vega, i think thats it
- Which two characters have CC’s that can lead to off-screen combo’s?
dan and athena
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Which fundamental ability did P-Groove gain in CvS2:EO that’s nearly game breaking in competitive play?
special to super cancel -
Which four members of the cast can utilize the 2p cross up glitch without using a punch or kick throw?
hibiki, rock -
Which characters can land a super off of a juggle caused by one of their specials? (I am almost 100% positive I do not know all of them)
akuma, hibiki, raiden, ken, rock, kyo… theres alot -
Which characters can land a special off a juggle caused by a super without utilizing C-Groove?
terry, akuma, yun, kyo (ground pound not really a juggle though) -
Who has the games only normal counter that can counter supers and who has the only counter that can be used on wake-up as a reversal?
geese -
Which member of the cast has the worst projectile in the game? It has ridiculously long startup and recovery. (it’s an opinion but still extremely obvious and agreed upon by 90% of the community)
haomaru -
Which two members of the cast have a super that can be considered cameo appearances?
kyosuke, nakoruru? -
Which members of the cast have no rapid fire normals?
blanka sagat -
Which two characters have CC’s that can lead to off-screen combo’s?
kyosucky
Difficulty is (#/5) with 5 being very hard and 6 being wtf, you shouldn’t know that.
- Special Super Cancel like 3rd Strike. P-Groove also gains meter faster I think too (2/5)
- Morrigan was the only non-high or top tier character played in evo2k7 top 8 (3/5)
- Sakura’s ground CC is really odd simply because her fierce DP has 2 medium hits, 2 fast hits then a really slow hit. By medium, fast or slow, I’m talking about how many active frames the hit spans. The way to break guard bars the fastest is to not cancel the special too early and not letting the dp reach the last active hit frames either. This means you have to do the motions slower then most realize for the most hits. I discovered this watching snaaake’s youtube match where he’d cancel the CC dp’s too quickly and would miss out on a ton of hits. Was kind of surprising. (5/5)
- (5/5)
- (3/5)
- Iori’s rush super is extremely odd because it has a really high amount of active frames that are purely invulnerable from the waist up. This means he can catch you falling and do full damage to you while not being counterhit out of the super. (5/5)
- (6/5) gl figuring them all out. I was thinking straight up hits, with no dirty counter hits that leave you taking damage (you can hit em out of the air like Raiden’s ready go to flame breath)
- otg not a juggle but I think you got most if not all. No C-Groove. I still think I don’t know all of them (6/5)
- Geese and Geese. He will counter all level 3 supers and it can be done on wake up as it comes out in 1 frame (4/5)
- Haoh (2/5 difficulty cause iori and power wave are both pretty bad but not quite as bad)
- Yun and Kyosuke (2/5 difficulty)
- Haoh at 3000!!! One raged counterhit slash is in the high 4k’s if it’s multiplicative!!! (3/5)
- Chang is right. One more (4/5)
- quite a few. Vega, Sagat, dhalsim, honda and a few more. Originally thought Sagat’s s.lp was RF but it’s not after checking the book (5/5)
- Didn’t know Athena or Chun could off the screen CC. Dan, Kyosuke, Athena and Chun then. Learn something new everyday (4/5)
I already got 3 of them, I’m wondering how many more there are.
BTW Rock’s Teleport cross-ups can be done on either side so it doesn’t count.
Actually 2 more, Rugal & Sagat.
Not directly related to the question but in training mode you can go off the screen with C-Kim: lvl 2 Rush Super xx [lvl 2 Air Super]xn. Not doable in a real match but it looks cool.
are you sure yamas level 3 grab super isnt completely invul upper body?
- super cancel
- dunno, morrigan?
- its 5+ hits. use mp version or do hp version slowly.
- chun li, i dunno the rest maybe rock?, rolento?, nak?
- chun
- honda headbutt super?
- almost everyone (akuma, athena, ken, ryo, yun, bison, cammy, kim, yamazaki, rock, geese, hibiki, kyo, hoahmaru, rugal, sim, sakura?, sagat?)
- terry, iori, kim, yun, kyo?
- goose
- hoah
- kyosuke, yun, rolento (el gado ftw)
- hoah for far standing hp, rugal for crouching
- honda (d+hp), sagat, rugal
- sagat, rolento, dan?, vega
- chun, kyosuke
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Rugal
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Also, Haohmaru’s standing fierce twice dizzies and takes off energy as if we were playing Samurai Shodown 1. Also, has that slow motion effect too!
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30
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It’s not game breaking, which is super cancels like in Third Strike
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Morrigan
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Akuma, Shin Akuma, Ultimate Rugal, Evil Ryu
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Dhalsim, all shotos, Terry, Rock, Iori, Kyo, Yamazaki, and I don’t remember who else
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Terry and I forgot who else
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Geese, Hibiki, Ken, Ryu, Akuma (late jab shoryuken)
- Haohmaru and Rugal (Kaiser Wave)
It’s kind of weird talking about throw supers grid because most have invincibility beyond their active frames but the active frames are usually extremely short. This means that you’re basically either landing the super or going to get pegged in recovery. Yamazaki, Gief, Honda, Raiden, etc all have the same general type of super where u have the normal invincibility frames (full body for usually around ~23 frames) for the startup and active frames and then you go into recovery frames which have a few invulnerability frames and then none.
With iori however, he has full upper body invincibility for a huge amount of frames and a ton of active frames to hit you with meaning he can blow through lots of different specials and hit you at any time while you’re falling from a jump.
Checked up on rugal, he does indeed have a 1500 sweep like Sagat and Chang. Nice catch fsgamer.
Kaiser wave is no where near the worst projectile in the game. It is very hard to JD due to delayed timing and hits for multiple times when charged. It also controls space like nuts. Haoh’s projectile is (27/55) while Rugal’s reppuken is only 15/40 (on all versions). I’m not even going to get into the whole controlling space issue cause it’s not even worth discussing.
I’ll try to post the answers tomorrow but i’m pretty sure questions marked as 6/5 in difficulty are nearly impossible to answer due to player creativity.
And special cancels in this game are definitely quite game breaking, especially with the faster charging p-groove. A ton of characters have extremely easy to land normals that are STUPIDLY simple to hit confirm. It’d just be a joke really. Rising tackle, hurricane kicks, king’s kick u in the face 1000 times special, ryo’s punch you in the face a billion times special, every punch or kick mashable special (dynamite punches, hand slaps, lightning kicks). Plus, the juggle ability of a lot of specials/supers would have to be looked at again because the possibilities of extremely easy to land specials would be mind-boggling.
Yama’s grab super (lvl 2/3) is fully invincible during start-up, active, and some of its recovery frames, so technically your answer isn’t correct, but it’s a great super indeed.
One of the most interesting uses for Iori’s super is to go through fireballs (that are not ground fireballs, that is).
- Which fundamental ability did P-Groove gain in CvS2:EO that’s nearly game breaking in competitive play?
in addition to super cancels, agroove can cancel connected/whiffed jumping attacks into CC. maybe not gamebreaking, but it definitely doesn’t need to be there
- Why does Sakura’s ground CC break guard bar so quickly and what method can help with guard crushing faster with this CC? (hard to word question but it’s a pretty interesting answer)
doing mp dps causes it to break guard faster because the individual hits do more damage
- Which four members of the cast can utilize the 2p cross up glitch without using a punch or kick throw?
technically, any character can as long as they knock the other character down with their feet in the corner (dp’ing a cross up, etc.)
characters like hibiki and rock aren’t using the 2p cross up glitch; they can do it on the 1p side also
- Which characters can land a super off of a juggle caused by one of their specials? (I am almost 100% positive I do not know all of them)
wayyyy too many list. i’d say about 75% of the cast can do this. some interesting ones:
morrigan: trade dp -> air darkness illusion
bison: rh scissor kick -> mega psycho crusher
sagat: trade dp -> tiger raid
- Which two characters have CC’s that can lead to off-screen combo’s?
there’s probably a lot more than two. dan, athena, kyosuke, chunli… i bet if you tried hard enough you could make it happen with nakoruru too
That morrigan shit sounds rough. I like the kyo trade into super too, that hurts… counter hit dp into super 
Just back from Taiwan where there’s absolutely no arcades worth going to. Haven’t really given CvS2 much thought since I’ve been away from it for such a long time, but I’m going to come up with some basic trivia for people who are bored to play with.
Don’t have any insightful questions atm so I’m going to just put up a list of specials/supers that people hardly use or have forgotten in hopes that somebody can guess a) who has it b) what’s the special do. Got some time, take a guess.
- Shout of Earth
- Axle Spin Knuckle
- Valkyrie Turn
- Electrigger
- Center of Gravity
- Surprise Rose
- Thunder Crush Bomb
- Outrage
Most of these specials/supers come from mid-tier and low tiers. Half the list I’ve never even heard of until today and the others have just fallen out of my memory until this post.
edit: Some of the translations on specials are just hilarious. Todo’s waves are ecstasy crush as an example. Comet cruncher is another good one.
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Shout of Earth - blanka: stands up and goes electric, pretty crappy
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Valkyrie Turn - Morrigan: does that stupid fly off the screen and goes invul, then if you press kick she will attack
ps: really no arcades in taiwan? sadnes =[
i think im going later this year.
- Blanka’s super where he turns into a tower of electricity
- I THINK that’s Cammy’s hcb+P where she basically spins forward and does a fierce
- Morrigan’s “teleport” super (hcb+K) that flies her across the screen
- Benimaru’s grab super where he chokes you and shocks you at the same time (now that I think about it, that thing should do hella more damage O.o)
- …Is that Todo’s command grab? Or his super counter? I forget. I’m pretty sure it belongs to Todo though.
- King’s dp+K, she tiger knees the opponent and then kicks them multiple times in the air.
- …that sounds like Raiden’s 360 throw. Don’t quote me though.
- Vice’s…Something. I think it’s Vice’s. Sounds like it.