Except many of the chain grabbers in this game get their shit pushed in by Snake and Zelda. And Marth. And Toon Link. Chain throwing alone does not top tier make.
He meant dash attack. Like running A canceled immediately into up smash.
Also that tier list someone posted is a joke. They put Ike at the top, lol.
Also the lack of snake at the top kinda shows they don’t really know what’s up.
As for DeDeDe’s chain grab being better, I don’t agree. Most levels with walls will be banned, and usually dedede can only get off like…4-5 chain grabs at most before they’re off the ledge. Falco’s works on all characters (from what I’m told) and seems to do more damage. I’d say they’re probably about equally as good.
http://allisbrawl.com/forum/topic.aspx?id=2161
^^wolf mid? snake high? gnw top? bullshit.
I’ve said it before and i’ll say it again the top should be easiest to determine because the better characters in brawl should immediately stand out:
top in no particular order (with or without items):
snake
MK
marth
wolf
toon link
zelda
I think everyone can agree that at the very least these guys are top, reasons for why should be obvious and/or have been stated here in this thread before so if you disagree please post why.
Keep in mind those characters are the ones who IMO are automatically top, there may be and probably are others so if you have anything to add please do and CT You should add those names to your OP.
BTW D3 is not top he’s way too slow to be top, however his chaingrab, power, spammable projectile, and FS make him at least mid-high IMO.
Corneria and Rainbow Cruise weren’t in Melee. Maybe they should be now, but…yeah.
DDD can chain on flat ground without a wall without moving on certain characters too. I’ll post a video later when I can access youtube. It’s inescapable.
Yeah I’ve seen it, works on DK Bowser Mario Luigi and Samus. It’s really hard to do 100% though since the timing is a just frame it feels like, except on bowser, which is easy as pie. DeDeDe = Bowser counter character, anyone?
Hmm I’m not sure about wolf that high, isn’t his recovery gimped so easy that it might hurt him as far as tournaments go? I’d probably have him at high because of that.
^^If wolf didn’t have shitty recovery he would be broken because everything else about him is fantastic:
-spammable laser and up close it does great knockback
-some of the best smashes in the game most notably dsmash
-aaa combo does decent knockback, damage, but most importantly moves him forward
-Mobility of a medium weight yet gets KO’ed like a heavyweight
-lots of useful glitches especially on ledges to mitigate his bad recovery
-dair spikes
-attacks are fast and do good damage
-has reflector
Wolf is beast, a wolf player who has his ledge glitches down pat is virtually unstoppable.
Seems like some of you guys are sleeping on Rob. He has two of the best projectiles, good reach, some good quick attacks, good ko power, and great mobility, meaning he can play keepaway, runaway, or up close, depending on the matchup. I think he’s extremely well-rounded and won’t get eaten up by anyone.
orochi: What’s that ledge glitch with wolf you’re talking about? I haven’t heard of it yet.
UD: zomg ROB is a beast. I will never sleep on that character. He’s all around amazing, I guess his only weakness is lack of a kill move other than maybe up smash. But he can do the whole “chase people off the screen” thing with fair, so I guess it doesn’t matter much. He’s definitely very solid, one of the stronger characters IMO.
Nair, bair, dsmash, and gyro are all kill moves and dair is a good spike. I think he’s pretty good on that front.
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(illusion cancel took me a while to get the timing down)
I’ve only played rob a few times he has a great bair, nair, and i love laser otherwise I don’t know enough about him to comment.
Here’s a tier list I found by the same guy on smashboards who posted that wolf glitch link above:
HIGHEST
Snake
ToonLink
HIGH
Falco
Fox
Game & Watch
IceClimbers
Ike
King DeDeDe
Kirby
Lucas
Marth
MetaKnight
Pikachu
Pikmin & Olimar
Pit
Pokemon Trainer
Squirtle
Charizard
R.O.B.
Wario
Wolf
Zelda
MEDIUM
Bowser
Diddy Kong
Gannondorf
Link
Lucario
Luigi
Mario
Ness
Peach
Sonic
Zero Suit Samus
LOW
Captain Falcon
Donkey Kong
Jigglypuff
Samus
Ivysaur
Sheik
Yoshi
That list is a first class ticket to failure town.
^^I never said it was accurate:rofl:
Rob’s gyro stops A LOT of projectiles while it’s spinning. It’s a good spacing tool that creates a sort of wall between you and your opponent.
People who have played me will say that I do this quite often!
R.O.B. is definitely top material. WHAT DID I SAY HE’S SENTINEL JR!!
Pit [Cable] vs R.O.B. [Sentinel] it’s done!!
Pit is storm.
Are you on crack boy?
In my scrubby opinion the characters that got signifigant nerfs are:
-Mario
-DK
-Captain Falcon
-Falco
People needa stop lumping Yoshi in with “shitty” characters. He just dies hard to people with sowrds(Marth, Ike) =/
DK got nerfed? Lol, i need to stop playing that character then.
QFT.
Falco got significantly nerfed? He still seems very good to me. He’s just more catered to defense than offense now (even though he has tools to approach). He only got a slight nerf (kinda like how Fox only got slightly nerfed).
^I’d replace Falco with Ganon. His moves have such stupid lag I can projectile spam his ass all day with Space Animals and laugh my ass off. Falco still owns and his Blaster can still give trouble.
Yoshi got buffed overall, the problem is that these buffs were necessary buffs, and so it only made him “average” not excellent. They also weakened all his Smashes for NO FREAKING REASON!!!:annoy::mad: It’s not like Yoshi has a killer offense that was broken in Melee, yet they decided to reward his below average talents by taking away his ability to kill even more.
:lame:
Not only that, but they gave some characters (Snake/Pit/Wolf/Etc…) such overwhelming priority that most of the standard approaches that these characters were designed to do simply do not work.
At least he’s better than Mario, who is not even average anymore but seriously sucks, people just don’t want to admit he got anally raped in Brawl but he has.
BTW, does anyone have any reports about Diddy Kong? I still feel his Banana Peels have a ton of potential we’re not realizing yet.
:sad:
As far as I am concerned DiddyK with bananas on field is better than everyone, no reason in particular but just because.