This thread is to discuss the ranking of characters on a tier list. I’ll edit this list throughout the discussion.
Here are some threads you should look at to back up your arguments for a characters position on the tier list:
Tournament Results
Character Match-Ups
Weekly Japanese Rankings
Top 5 are definitely Toon Link, Snake, Pit, Meta Knight, and Marth. Unless something drastic happens over time, I doubt this is going to change.
I’ve read a bunch of tier lists from that OTHER site, and they mostly agree that Captain Falcon, Jigglypuff, and Ganondorf just can’t keep up with the higher tiered characters. Then again, they can’t decide whether G&W and ROB are top/upper tier or low/bottom tier.
I would not put Lucario higher than mid because he requires so much work/risk for only decent results/rewards (as opposed to, say, Marth who requires like 0 risk for great rewards). Sonic’s probably in the same boat as well. Diddy, Dedede, Zelda, and the Space Animals are definitely upper tier. Lucas is probably there as well, but I honestly can’t say. Is Ike still up there, or has the initial hype about him died down? What about Kirby, Pikachu, PT, Luigi, Samus, ZSS, heck, just about anyone not mentioned already?
Overall, the top tiers are pretty well defined right now (they can change, but it might not be very likely), as well as the upper tier, but everything after that is rather shaky at the moment.
definitely subject to change, but so far IMHO
s- marth, toon link, metaknight, pit, sheik, olimar, snake
a- diddy kong, pikachu, fox, falco, c.falcon, jigglypuff, mario, luigi, samus, zero suit samus, mr G&W, peach, dedede, squirtle, ROB, wolf, sonic
b- lucario, kirby, ness, lucas, yoshi, link, zelda, ice climbers, ganondorf, ivysaur, wario
c- bowser, ike, charizard, donkey kong
It’s still pretty early to be having this discussion, even if the Japanese version came out a couple months ago. But go figure.
If I had to guess, Kirby is mid tier. He definitely improved from Melee, but because most of the other character improved too, I don’t know where that puts him.
I just have to say, Metaknight does not have a hard time KOing.
CT you’re the inly one on srk who thinks MK isn’t tops, not saying that majority is always right but that does say something, and i main MK I think i know him well enough to know if he is tops or not.
Play me and after i get you to 100% off of tornado alone try telling me he isn’t tops.
BTW he does have a hard time KO’ing but it’s not as bad as other people think his best kill moves are down smash, forward smash, up B, and nair.
And as good as he is his fragility keeps him in check.
This is probably more like it, but it’s still not perfect (I can’t decide who’s who from mid tier down, so if anything seems strange after A rank, feel free to correct me).
lol at peaches low placing
Shes too good.
Give more reasoning for why you think those characters are top tier, instead of saying I think they are and it probably won’t change.
Why is Ike, Zelda, and the Ice Climbers so low? And why is Pikachu, Captain Falcon, Mario, Luigi, and Sonic so high?
I just think it’s good to start right now, so by the time a tier list is due, we should have an adequate amount of research to justify it.
- How are you so certain that I’m the only one on SRK that doesn’t think MK is top tier?
- You act as if I said he sucks. I think he’s really good, but not top tier, more like upper tier.
- Just cause you main him doesn’t amount to much. It could just mean you’re more biased towards MK, and that you don’t really know much about the rest of the cast. Not saying that you do, just saying that isn’t much of a helpful statement.
Toon Link has a spammable bair that can combo into itself and into dair as well as awesome projectiles. Extremely versatile in that he can play up-close or zone with projectiles (or a combination of the two).
Snake has ridiculous tilts and aerials, and he has tons of zoning/trap tools (grenades, mines, C4s, missiles). Pretty versatile in a similar way to Toon Link.
Marth has tons of moves that can kill, is fast, has priority (including IASA frames on his down tilt), reach, etc. Needs to tipper attacks in order to get their full effect, though.
Meta Knight has godlike priority, speed, and recovery. His pros far outweight his cons (dies easily, low individual damage output).
Pit has arguably the best projectile in the game (it’s either his or Zelda’s), decent kill moves (bair at least, but some of his smashes and fair can kill as well) and up-close game, and godlike recovery. He’s pretty much the Storm of this game minus the ridiculous priority (he can turtle all day long and his offense isn’t bad).
Someone else can probably explain this better than I can, but this is what I think the top tier is as of right now. Also, Luigi is actually really good in Brawl. He’s got buffed like crazy and can do things like A, A, Shoryuken. Pikachu has also been improved a bit.
Lol @ Ike being low tier.
Here’s a list of characters I think will end up in top/upper tier:
Fox- Still has some good combos to rack up damage, and lots of KO moves.
Falco- Great spacing with SHDL, decent combos, and lots of KO moves.
Wolf- Lots of combo and KO moves but has bad recovery.
Marth- Range, priority, speed, damage, knockback, whats not to love?
Ike- Basically the same thing as Marth minus the speed plus a lot more damage and knockback.
Diddy Kong- Good setups with bananas, with simple combos and good KO moves.
Toon Link- Speed, damage, knockback, and lots of range, too bad he doesn’t have great priority then we could call him Marth 2.0
Pit- Incredible recovery, possibly the best projectile in the game, easy combos, and decent KO’s.
Metaknight- Good damage, speed, recovery, and edgegaurding, lacks in KO’s a sight bit.
King Dedede- Incredible throws, single best KO move in the game, but his KO attacks in general are pretty slow, plus excellent spacing and recovery.
Olimar- Can rack up lots of damage, good spacing, and KO’s but has piss poor recovery.
Ice Climbers- Only characters in the game who can 0 to death anyone from a single grab.
R.O.B.- Good recovery, spacing, and combos, but his KO moves come out a slow.
Zelda- Just a lot of ridiculously good KO moves.
EDIT:
roninwarrior24- those are all pretty good reasons but I’m not sold on Snake, he’s just too situational. I own him for free wit Falco on FD or Marth on BF, simply because he can’t setup anything. But on stages where he can get more cover, or if he’s fighting someone who doesn’t interrupt him every second then he can become deadly.
Kind of early for this, isn’t it?
agreed, but some of the tiers people are coming up with are kind of ludacris which is the main reason (imo) people are commenting.
Not really, just trying to get a head start on things, it isn’t like I’m expecting to have a tier list finalized by the end of the week(I’m honestly not expecting us to have a consistent tier list until a few months from now). It’s just that this is a topic I know a lot of people would like to talk about, so I’m simply offering it.
Lol, gtfo. Let me get on you with some handclap + air superiority and see how you feel afterward.
What? No G&W?! Nahh I’m playing, G&W is upper tier; his moves have been buffed and his Up B is too good. His super light weight holds him back though.
People who think Snake’s game is entirely in his set-up are kidding themselves. He’s very good priority and combos close-up. And a good Snake won’t allow you to interrupt his set-up, anyway.
He may have the best DI in the game but his aerials are a bit lacking, Uair is fuckin awesome though.
I think he might be mid tier, but he’s definitely better from his melee counterpart.
Yeah, I guess a good Snake would find ways to get a setup going without being interrupted.
What are his three spikes? I know of Dair, and I remember hearing his SideB kick is a spike but I’m not sure how useful that could be. And I know UpB is a stage spike on people holding the ledge but that ends up killing you also. So are those the three spike you’re talking about.
Note: For everyone posting in this thread, please give some in depth reasoning for why you think a character is in whatever tier.