anyone want to brawl ???
Don’t forget it launches as well.
And eats through shields…
Good to use after shielding.
Sets up for down B too since it shoots em straight up.
I don’t think pika is that great except for online free for all, then he’s cheesy as fuck. I’d say upper mid tier.
What %s do smash and Uair kill at?
Also, he does have good grab range (don’t know if it’s the best, ZSS/Samus or Link might have better range), but he also lags on whiff.
I think gimpable recovery is more of an issue for Oli just because he’s so light and therefore will be off the stage at earlier %s. If he didn’t get off the stage until over 150% or something then gimp KOs would be less of an issue.
On the subject of Pika, I just started playing against some Pikas and he is damn annoying at the least. Any good ways around Dsmash? Unless you have a disjointed hitbox you can’t hit him during it, it ends quickly enough for Pika get in a shield or jabs unless your timing is spot on. You can usually DI sideways to avoid thunder, but is there any way to DI out completely? So far the only options I have are bait a whiff or shield the first few hits then spot dodge the remainder.
Sadly there is no audio, but here are two vids of a Donkey Kong player who won a major event (70+ entrants) last weekend in Florida.
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Despite being pretty big, DK is looking much stronger in Brawl. Being able to air-dodge and then act afterwards means that he’s less of a target for characters with strong aerial games and it allows him to punish opponents for chasing him into the air. His headbutt side-b comes out faster, which allows him to pull it off out of other attacks. The instant back-airs during rush-down don’t hurt either, giving him a much more viable approach than he ever had in Melee. I don’t think we’ll know how DK really stacks up until the big tournaments this summer that unify all the various regions, but all signs point to high tier for the jungle titan.
That MK kinda sucked. Plus he didn’t spam Mach tornado vs. DK at all. That move is amazing vs anyone without a good disjointed hit box. DK barely has an answer for it. His edge guarding was kinda lacking too.
Still, very nice DK.
Charged USmash kills Luigi (he was my random test subject) at 65% (red, blue), 75% (yellow), 50% (purple), and admittedly too high for white, but I’m more inclined to use my whites for attaching to people and poisoning them. Uncharged Usmash can still kill at 80% with purples, 105% for yellows, an even 100% for blues, and 95% for reds.
Uair = Me being incorrect, I apologize. Uair is good for building up damage, though, so it sets him up for other kills (USmash as demonstrated, for instance).
Olimar’s standing grab can go from one end of the diamond in the middle of FD (look on the ground) to a bit past the middle of said diamond.
EDIT: After tests, Olimar’s grab is either on par with or slightly below Zamus in terms of range (and about the same with Samus). Beats Link and Toon though. Also, Olimar has much less lag if he misses the throw than any of the above. He can attack the moment the Pikmin starts returning to Olimar.
Dk can stop his Mach Tornado using his F-Tilt, which is strange considering how much priority it has.
you guys cant be serious about this pika shit.
He can also charge up his neutral-B donkey punch (lol) and wail on MK for like 30% at a time if he spams that thing. Also, the Mach Tornado is effected by damage degradation, so if you use it too often it will end up doing like 4% and leave you open for other counters.
I agree that the MK made some mistakes, but he had a solid game and he got outplayed by the DK. You can’t take that away from him or the character.
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Yes we are serious.
Pikachu is one of the most buffed characters, along with Game and Watch…maybe Luigi too.
Game and Watch gets the number one for me, but Luigi and Pika aren’t far behind. Of great note as well is Zelda. I’ll have whatever she’s been eating, please!
It doesn’t send you straight up if you DI properly. Plus you can get out of the last hit of the down smash that send you flying
I still think G&W is top 5. Tournament results are definitely reflecting this too
Zelda’s a goddamn beast now. And that makes me so, so happy. 
Jammin’Jobus
Read the Pika boards on SWF, you’ll see we ain’t BS’in.
yeah pikachu is pretty powerful. to think otherwise is very, very, very bad. in fact, I’m surprised you guys didn’t put him in top tier. why that hasn’t happened is beyond me…
question: what does everyone here think about Jigglypuff?
DK is solid. I really think he has the tools to be High/High mid.
SH double Bair is a great spacing approach, and you can always substitute a punch or >B for the 2nd Bair to keep them guessing. Or you can FF after the first Bair and work Utilt to pressure shield or catch them trying to jab you out.
He is amazing at spacing and punishing. Ftilt and DownB punish virtually everything due to range, and if it doesn’t punish, it at least adds pressure. These are also great for spacing out an opponent. DownB has a monster range with a disjointed hitbox, and fairly low knockback so it’s ideal to set up a lot of moves.
I don’t think >B actually got any faster though. It’s still slow, but it’s great for punishing roll/dodge and pressuring shield. He gets it free after blocking some moves like Ike >B and the first hit of his Dsmash. They are stuck in the ground for a usually free Dsmash at 40%ish. After they jump out they are still vulnerable until they hit the peak of the jump. At 60%+ you can usually get a Fsmash or punch after >B.
Punch is basically a counter that kills around 60% on a lot of characters. It’s great for eating single hits.
Kills under 100% with Fsmash, punch, Usmash. Dsmash is super quick and kills around 100% on lighter characters. 2 great spikes with Dair and Fair that can kill at ridiculously low%. Stage spike with Cargo-B throw around 45%. Next to Ganondorf, DK is probably the best early % killer.
Heavy with great recovery.
I’d like to get more matches of DK vs. higher tiers. If anyone wants to get some games in hit me up via PM or in the GG thread.
edit: yeah, mb