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I didn’t check the thread for very long but I keep hearing this stuff about Snake being super broken. what’s with that? (I’m hoping this could be answered in one reply, but if this is a whole nother discussion, could someone PM me?)
Disjointed hit boxes on his attacks which is retarded considering he’s the only character who has that even though he doesn’t have a weapon (sword or mallet). This makes it very difficult to approach him and if you combine this with the fact that he has proximity mines, grenades, and a rocket launcher makes him pretty broken. He’s also a heavy character (don’t understand why) so it will take a lot to kill him. His camping ability can shut down most characters IMO. Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason why they nerfed Samus so bad was because they wanted Snake to be good.
any idea of anyone who can play Snake well? I want to see how this playstyle is supposed to work. I play Snake but I don’t use C4 or land mines well, I use the physical attacks more than anything else. and yeah I get that heavy thing being a problem… takes forever to kill that bastard.
btw i didn’t know that bout the disjointed hit boxes… I thought that he just had a shitload of priority. ouch. I’ll know not to challenge that side tilt combo anymore. I’m kinda glad he has that though
The Damned has a pretty good Snake. Try playing him.
About Pika crawling under projectiles…while crawling he can be hit by certain projectiles that usually whiff when he’s just crouching. I forgot what it was but I think it was Falco’s blaster. Apparently he sticks his ass out when he crawls. 
Someone test this to confirm. I’m going off of memory and I know how unreliable my memory can be. 
Does anyone think Luigi should be moved to the lower part of high tier? His entire move list is very good, with a good ground and aerial game. He can put up good damage with attacks that lead into nice follow ups, and he’s very effective at KO’s with all his smashes having good knockback, especially his Fsmash. Plus he has a Dair spike and his UpB is the equivalent of Jiggs rest but it KO’s at lower percents and is much easier to set up.
I agree he has many tools to reach High Tier, that Jab Jab CHING! combo is also braindead easy to pull off and get kills as early as 50%!
One factor too is his slipperiness. If you try to approach him and he shields he’s now pushed far back and you have to chase him again, and in the air he’s so super floaty not even the “pseudo-combos” can work.
I moved Luigi up to high tier, and a lot of placements have been shifted around.
EDIT:
Something I’ve been thinking about, is that combos will become even less effective in the future, and that camping will even become less useful. Once people learn how to DI, tech, and airdodge properly in Brawl combos will be pretty non existent outside of 2-3 hit strings and CG’s. Once people master perfect shielding and airdodging, camping will also become less effective, since projectiles will be much easier to get around. So characters with good camping games may move down the tier list in the future. It’s just something to think about.
Top tier should be in this order.
Snake
Falco
Toon Link
Wolf
Marth
Metaknight
Pit
Explain why please.
Pit has disadvantage to all of the top tiers.
MK goes even with most only having slight disadvantage to Marth and solid disadvantage to Snake. He may have disadvantage to TL, but I have to mess around with that match more.
Marth has advantage on Pit and MK.
The top 4 all just have better match-ups over the bottom 3 of top tier over the rest of the cast from what I have seen. And they all have no bad match-ups from what I have seen while MK and Pit do. Marth doesn’t have any either, but he doesn’t really rape the cast as hard as the top 4 do IMO.
I wish you would post on the tier list discussion on SWF’s again, people there seem to think that MK is still the undeniable best character in the game.
I’ll have some of whatever they’re smoking.
#1 is Snake. No contest.
Yea no arguing with that. Meta will have a hard time KOing Snake since he’s a heavy character, and Snake is very strong, that makes it even harder for Meta Knight.
Yeah but some people have such a strong belief that MK is the hands down best character in the game that it’s rather difficult to converse with them.
Corner Trap: I want you to read my Marth match-up thread from the first page to the last so you can see the kind of ignorance I’m dealing with.
The idiots are the ones that post and in the fucking SBR is where the smart people are, and I’m sure they know exactly what I know, but since they post in a private forum they don’t have to deal with what I deal with.
SWF is split between the intelligent people that run shit behind the scenes and the imbeciles that run wild on the regular boards.
If you are lucky and intelligent enough the people in SBR send you an invite to get in.
I have been posting Marth guides, articles, and gameplay tips for about a year and I was part of a crew that revitalized the NJ Melee scene when it had died. I placed well in NJ tournies and I was ranked 7th in NJ for almost a year. I even went as far as to make a video critique thread in the Marth melee forums where people posted thier vids and asked me for advice. The written work that I have done at SWF even got me the attention of players beyond my level.
I never recieved an invite to the SBR.
As you can imagine I am some what confused about this.
Fucking Smashboards.
I know a lot of posters on SRK is against SWF having a backroom, but if they actually posted on SWF’s then they would understand the need for it.
I post to share knowledge.
Pwning noobs along the way with my logic is added bonus.
They banned cursing on Smashboards.
It’s the make the internet more fair and balanced.