I agree with Marth having trouble with spammers. As olimar, I’ve never had any problems with marths. Just ask the two marths I beat in the tournament last night.
…seriously.
A lot of people are forgetting about ike that his Eruption (B-Special) has super armor/invincibility frames as well. And his uptilt is retardedly good.
I probably said this before, but Lucario is mid tier at best. It’s a shame, really, because he has disjointed hitboxes, good tilts, smashes, aerials, combos, recovery, and specials. He’s quite well-rounded in his offensive and defensive capabilities (more like ST Ryu well-rounded than 3S Ken well-rounded, though). What hurts him terribly, though, is the rage system that he has. His damage output just doesn’t cut it until he’s above 80-90%; when around that percent, he finally gets decent damage and kill power, but one mistake and he loses a stock (he’s kinda light and floaty) and is back to doing low damage. His terrible throw game (low grab range, not much reward for doing normal throws, although Side B is alright) doesn’t hurt him all that much, but his damage output and overall risk factor makes him hard to use and win with compared to characters like Marth, Zelda, etc. He’s definitely capable of doing well, but it will take a lot of effort on the player’s behalf.
EDIT: Lucario is definitely higher than low tier. I’m not seeing what would make him high tier, but he has potential.
I stand by what I say.
In a game where pressuring leads to nothing because there are no real combos, Snake dominates, since if you get in his face and manage to hit nothing comes of it.
So you gotta bust your ass to get by all his camping and then deal with his insane range and knockback and power and then once you get past that you get in 10% damage for nothing cuz he airdodges when you try to juggle him.
It’s fucking bullshit.
Snake’s tilts outrange all of Marth’s moves save for F-smash and shieldbreaker.
Whoooooooooooooo. Two moves. Amazing.
Marth is soooooooooooooooo amazing.
The fuck outta here people.
Snake is the king of this game people.
Marth?
Marth is the fucking court jester.
This too. Eruption catches sooo many motherfuckers it’s not funny. Either they think for some reason they can out-prioritize the move that has autoguard with some bullshit air attack, or you catch them in a situation where they’re fucked either way and have to eat it.
Up Tilt is retardedly good, I really need to make use of it more often.
And yeah, Snake is probably the baddest dude in the whole game right now. He’s fucking ridiculous.
I don’t give a rats ass about Marth. So you say Snake beats Marth hands down? Playa you better not be like the Sonic and Ike fanboys. Snake is good but he cannot gain control over the match because of his tilts. Hell Marth can grab him before the tilt comes out. And once again when Snake is in the air it is his down fall. Snake runs shit to a point.
Air?
Airdodge plz.
Snakes camping made him high tier. His busted tilts pushed him over the top. Have you even experimented with his tilts? Go into practice mode and your jaw will drop at how retarded they are. Also his tilts are disjointed.
How is Marth gonna grab Snake when a grab is 7 frames and a tilt is usually 5 or 6? And Snakes tilts outrange Marth’s grabs.
Look your boy Snake is busted. I know you don’t wanna hear it but he is.
And as far as I can tell Zelda is his only bad match-up.
Marth loses to Snake 60/40 in Snakes favor.
Snake runs shit unless the Snake player is having a bad day or fucks up his game plan royally.
Mr. G&W is total shit AGAIN. They nerfed the hell out of his D-Tilt for no reason apparently.
Is there anyone who believes that G&W and Yoshi AREN’T going to be bottom tier again?
Sonic seems like he’s trash without his Final Smash, which is probably why they made it the best FS in the game.
What exactly makes Diddy so good? I’m not saying he isn’t, especially after Justin Wong got 2nd with him at FRXI, but I don’t understand what makes him tick.
Whoever says Sheik is less than high tier hasnt played a good sheik player. Ftilt forever and you win. She shuts down half the cast with her ftilt, the other half with tether gimmicks. Space animals die to ftilt, anything that doesnt have a fast aerial move dies to ftilt.
Stop reading whatever nonsense people say about Sheik because it is not true. She no longer has her strong f-air from melee but that doesnt matter.
She’s fast, nice range on moves, nice priority, she’s basically very hard to edge guard due to her tether, her tether also aids in edgehogging safely, and also helps her camp on stages with multiple ledges.
Her tether has almost no startup, has the longest range and goes near instant to the ledge. When you grab the ledge with tether you can drop instantly (with less invincibility frames though).
Sheik is solid stuff. Play aroung with her ftilt and tether and her quick high priority aerials and you’ll see it.
I’ve have tested his tilts but not against fast ass dash grabbers. Missing that air dodge then what? Not everything goes perfect in the match. You miss the air dodge your a sitting duck. Oh did just say high tier. Seriously that what I wanted to hear. I don’t see him as one of the top simply because of his air game. You can only camp for so long until you slip up and end up in the air. The lowest I see him is upper mid.
Shiek didn’t move far from the original placement. Still good just no fair super kills.
His air game is retarded too. Bair is dumb so is Uair.
But you don’t need to jump with Snake. You really don’t.
He is top tier.
He and Zelda are the only ones that matter in this game.
People are overestimating Zelda. She’s good, not fuck awesome. Marth beats her with one move. Im still on the fence on Snake.
Theory fighter and SRK hold hands once again FTL.
So maybe people will actually use Zelda/Shiek’s down+b this time?
…seriously.
I’m gonna have to say Zelda is indeed wtfhax in Brawl. Crazy tilts, powerful Smashes (her Down Smash is godlike), the best projectile in the game, good priority, cheap F-Air, Down Tilt that sets up a Smash like 80% of the time, great recovery…yeah.
Marth is the one people overestimate. He’s a bad dude, but he’s not godlike. I’d put him and Toon Link at around the same level, actually. And Snake…yeah, Snake’s fucking overpowered.
Marth loses to Zelda.
He doesn’t beat her with anything.
Also this isn’t theory.
This is my Marth getting ass raped by my crew leader’s Snake and by an awesome Zelda player in NJ who is a moderater on SWF.
Sheik has better matches than Zelda. Zelda’s recovery is weak compared to sheik’s. Sheik cannot be edgeguarded at early percentages, her tether denies any attempts. The projectile can be broken with a high priority move and her frequency that the projectile can be tossed out is slow.
Zelda has some good stuff I’ll give you that, but Sheik is superior.
Zelda is more then Din’s Fire.
Zelda > Shiek.
This is all I will say on the subject.
EL I’ll submit to the MK match up. Had to check more video. Although I’m still right about the air thing. bair doesn’t do squat to MK air game except u-tilt.
Overall his air game is sub par.
But he doesn’t need to go into the air.