Glad people are catching on to Mario’s crappiness.
I honestly believe that he has the worst priority in the entire game as well, every character seem to outprioritize his tilts and aerials, shit’s ridiculous. They tried to make him average but ended up making him a living, moving piece of dookie with a cap and cape.
I mean why is the ONLY TRUE kill move his Up Smash and his Forward Smash is like a poke move now?
:lame:
1st-M2k(Marth/deedeedee)
2nd-forte(metaknight/bowser)
3rd-chillindude(deedeedee/snake)
4th-azen(wolf)
5th-velocity(GaW)
5th-boss(mario/luigi)
7th-omni(ike)
7th-Eric(deedeedee/metaknight)
9th-candy(wolf/fox)
chudats biweekly this past weekend. I’m posting it since it has the characters that were used. I dont have the full results
Good comparison
Three Dedede players? Might need to move him up the list.
…Due to one tournament?
Uhhh…
I wasn’t being serious.
…It’s even more difficult to tell in this thread than it is many others…
OMG Mario top tier!
All kidding aside, Mario isn’t that great, but he isn’t that bad either. He is one of the few that can get reliable gimp kills anymore. Cape is still badass. If you cape a spacie/Zelda during their charge animation for upB, it will make them fire horizontally opposite to the direction they initially pressed. He can cape a few other recoveries like DK/Bowser/Ganon but I don’t have a complete list.
FLUDD is actually useful in this respect too. It can be used to push characters like Marth/Ike under edge corners on FD and the like.
Fireballs aren’t a bad projectile. Not good for spamming or camping, but they lend to his approach well.
What hurts him most is exactly what most people bring up: lack of KOs. I’ve been getting used to not using Usmash/Fsmash except when I need to kill. That and his priority isn’t the greatest.
I didn’t realize that you didn’t have 3D in the top tier, he seems top tier for sure to me.
Interesting to see Bowser up there, as I recall that same guy Forte got 2nd or 3rd place in the C3 tournament last month as well. I remember he also used Bowser there as well, but whether he used Bowser later in the tournament when he was playing good players as opposed to just owning up scrubs with him, I don’t know. SlikVik, do you know the answer to that? I’ve given up on Ganon, maybe I shouldn’t be so quick to dismiss Bowser too. Go grapplers!
I would like match vids of the bowser glory.
I don’t think he can reliably gimp kill at all. The overall floaty-ness of Brawl and edge grabbing being direction unspecific reduce the total number of opportunities to gimp those recoveries (although I don’t know why you put DK in there) anyway. Not to mention the fact that cape has grossly reduced range in all directions puts those situations at about as likely as Link d-tilt spike.
As much as I’d like to believe that FLUDD is useful, quite aside from being unlikely to work on competent players (a combination of early kills through that method being incredibly obvious and easy to prevent, along with the highly specific positions both need to be in for it work) if it does or doesn’t work you set yourself up to be edge guarded either way (this assuming you don’t send yourself too far to recover to begin with).
He’s got good points, to be sure. But in the bigger picture, they’re all boo.
Sonic says hi.
Yeah I understand.
I agree, Sonic does have the lowest overall priority in the game.
Sonic’s F+B, Up Smash and Down Smash have more priority that Mario’s arsenal. Sonic may have crappy priority and overall suckage but Mario still loses the priority game because ALL his normals suck.
Sometime tell me how ROB is not top tier. I was playing with him over the weekend, he is ridiculous. Powerful, big hit box on some moves, has the laser, and can fly around forever. My new favorite character.
Sorry I don’t. I could find out for you though. Bowser is a lot better. Probably still low tier but he can put up a decent fight this time around…[media=youtube]rkO3UVMuMPs&feature=related[/media]
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search for DJ nintendo and warrior knight. They have really good bowsers
Holy shit up tilt.
I’m gonna have to test Bowser out now.
Dude, Bower’s Up Tilt is REALLY fucking strong now.
Nair, Bair, DSmash, and FTilt have surprisingly good priority and his FSmash is still disjoint. His Dash attack eats through a healthy amount of attacks if not done predictably.
Let’s agree to disagree on Mario’s suckage. I thought he sucked when I first played with him, but the little plumber still has decent priority and usage. I also think that Falcon still is decent with flashes of Melee-style rape, take that for what it’s worth.
Falcon has to work HELLA hard though. I mean Raptor Boost into Falcon Dive is a bitch to land now =/
RB into Falcon Dive was always kind of a bitch to hit, and he had more fun things to follow up with. The way I see it is, C. Falc always had to work hard against anybody tournament viable in Melee. He has to work a bit harder now since straight up combos don exits in this game. He still has the tools to compete, he’s just much more of a reaction character now. He plays like a Melee character would in Brawl, which is a weird schism that will take time to adjust to.
I basically feel that every character in Bottom Tier could have a case made for them to move up at least a tier, along with several members of Low and low-Mid. I guess it’s a testament to Brawl’s current balance that not only are the Bottom Tier charas not totally garbage, but one of the major pluses tier-wise is ease of use. No disrespect, but it’s relatively easy to pick up and rape with the High and Top Tiers, while Mid and below have a much steeper learning curve to them (sans Snake and ICs, but the crazy shit they can do makes the payoff more than worth it.)