Ike is slow with no projectile and he’s mid to possibly upper tier.
Ganondorf just sucks.
I think the incredible thing about Pit is that his “top-tierness” was prepackaged from the get-go. He doesn’t have any glitches or tactics that made him top tier except his basic design.
I guess the only thing is that he doesn’t have any true spike, which I’m grateful for. A character with 5 jumps doesn’t need a spike.
Mid is the only place I see him going. He gets a lot from his super armour and the breadth of his range/coverage, but I think the myriad of bad match ups I can see him getting against projectile characters and the REALLY quick characters (even with his jab string) will end up being too much for him.
Pit has his problems actually with characters that can outrange him, and still effectively deal with his arrows.
Trust me. He is good, but MK is better then him and MK isn’t even top 5 material in my book.
Ivy is buff.
+bulletseed out of shield is rediculous, dealing 20 to 60 percent easy.
+up smash can ko around 60 percent.
+forward smash has great range and recovers fast and can ko around 100 percent.
+one of the better projectiles in the game
+poor recovery only matters on a few stages, and her teather is generally a lot more reliable than all but zamus’.
+up b can KO very early too.
+ftilt and utilt are very fast and useful.
+bair is great for safe long rnage damage.
+fair can ko around 120 percent
- you know uair and dair are very good too.
+pt has the best beam FS in the game. the zoom in removes all cursors showing where the other player is, often causing them to jump to thier deaths. it can be done in the air over the edge safely too to ruin chances of escape and be very safe.
+ivy has a ranged grab that is faster than any ranged grab in the game (maybe olimars is close)
These are why ivy is buff. you dont get to make many mistakes vs her.
Tiering the game with"top high mid low bottom" and an even distrobution isnt going to work for a game like this (where everone feels strong). In the end its going to be a handful of characters on top, nearly all of the rest in high, and a few in mid or bottom.
Pros and cons for Ike:
Pros
- Strong. Really, REALLY strong.
- Massive range on a lot of his attacks.
- Has some surprisingly fast attacks in his arsenal.
- A myriad of Super Armor/Autoguard frames.
- Good priority.
- Somewhat hard to KO due to his weight.
- One of the best normals in the game (AAA combo)
Cons
- Slow on most of his attacks.
- Recovery can be gimped.
- No projectile (Never mind that Ragnell shoots energy shockwaves in Path of Radiance… :shake: )
- Low jump height.
- Gets ganked by projectile spam.
As for matchups, I really think Ike only goes into disadvantage against most of the high/top tier characters, aka the ones that can projectile spam/chain grab/gimp recoveries hard. These characters include Wolf, Lucas, Snake, as so forth. For the rest of the bunch, I find he usually has a bit of an advantage (or a huge one depending on the character), or falls even.
Being that Ike really only has troubles against high and top tiers, I’d would say he belongs closer to high-mid/low-upper. But again, this is just my take on it.
Don’t forget that the Cape no longer inches you forward in mid-air so you can’t use it to aid your recovery! X_X
Yeah…Mario does indeed suck ass. Why they nerfed him and kept Marth almost exactly the same, I’ll never know.
I must be crazy, because I don’t think Mario is Bottom Tier. He is one of the few characters that can legit combo, he’s gotten an air and ground speed buff, the fireballs are a somewhat useful projectile now, and he could never straight KO as well as other characters. That being said: the FSmash is serviceable (stutter-stepped it’s got great range), USmash can kill quite nicely, DSmash is still useful, and he’s got some nice Cape gimmicks off the stage that help his edgeguard game.
He’s not High Tier or anything, but he doesn’t suck ass. If anything, he’s better at what he tried to be in Melee; a pixie character who’s generally solid in all categories. Although, if being merely solid makes you suck in Brawl, that’s pretty good balance wise.
Yay for Mario love.
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Uh…you don’t know what a tier is, do you?
Lol Go fight MSP in Marvel with Team Shoto and tell me if it’s easy. 
WHAT? HOW COME NOBODY TOLD ME THIS BEFORE?? But srsly. lol.
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Shadow Ace…seriously bro wtf?
Lol@Edited post.
Messed around with Sonic today and he could be lumped into “Low” tier but I dunno…his FS is great and his recovery is good too but his lack of moves and thier kinda awkward/laggy qualities makes me wonder.
Yeah I got red. I got randomly negged like a week back. So I went to the guys page and taunted him so he get all his boys to mass neg me.
It’s cool though.
Everyone knows I’m still amazing.
Since we tiered The pokemon trainer’s pokemon. What do you guys think about The Pokemon Trainer. I say he’s high tier due to the fact that he is one of the most versatile characters in the game. I’m going to try to apply Marvel theory to this so please don’t flame me puts on flame suit (Note, I don’t play Marvel that often so correct me if need be). Charizard is a heavyweight who counters light rushdown characters and has the longest survivability. Squirtle is the quickest (in the air) who counters long range zoning characters, but has the shortest survivability. Ivysaur is still a little light, but that’s a small price to pay for having long range attacks to keep the opponent at bay. Ivysaur counters Heavyweight characters due to her long range (her recovery is ass though). She has better survivability than Squirtle. This is only a theory and isn’t concrete proof. Pokemon trainer should at least be at the bottom of high tier because of his ability to adapt to different situations.
Anyways…
They nerfed Ness’s PK cross…so gay.
EDIT: lol it’s PK Flash; damn Ness and his engrish.
EDIT again: Pk Flash hasn’t been nerfed completely, it’s just that they nerfed the blast radius.
Lots of good points, but you forget to mention how exploitable her weaknesses are. Ivysaur isn’t honestly all that bad, but compared to the other characters she isn’t much.
Basically all the characters in low and bottom tier, aren’t complete trash. This is a testaments to Brawl’s balance, but we can only wait and see if this holds up.
It’s better to tier PT separately than as a whole. Say if charizard does well against one character, but ivysaur and squirtle does horrible against that character, so it wouldn’t make sense to say that PT as a whole does well against that character if only charizard does well.
Yeah. In these early stages, even with people throwing around terms like “broken” and “useless”, I still reason that:
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