I could defiantly see that. I was seriously being close minded.
I knew that, yet somehow neglected to mention it. It does have a significant amount of lag so if seen coming it can be punished.
Agreed.
Uhhhh.
Why all the overhyping of Pit?
Marth beat’s Pit in the match-up too.
Pit dies sooooooooooooo easy.
*Sigh
Is there no one that can take a hit form Marth and not get completely obliterated? Also I post like this cuz…stfu I don’t need a reason kiss my ass fuck youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.
>_>
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^ That’s why :shake:.
Everyone go look back at the first post, and tell me how you like the new layout. Also I need “match-ups” and “pros & cons” for a lot of characters.
so Marth is the overpowered character of the week?
whose next?
You kind of answered your own question: few people on SRK besides you, Infini, and that other Ninja guy that isn’t Ninja Wallace (or is he?) main Marth. And of course Marth can kill Pit easily, Marth probably has the easiest lethal sweetspot(s) to land in the entire game (at the moment) and Pit is kind of light…if you can get to him and get past his stupid sword-bow (damn you, Pateluna). (And gods of death outrank angels of death, unless you count the Saint of Killers.)
Besides, he’s a new guy and we like to overhype new guys, right Emblem? 
Since we’ve been speaking of Pit and Sonic, I just found, through fighting the computer a bit earlier, that Pit’s Shield seems to block Sonic’s spin dashes (on the ground).
Because Pit totally needed something else and Sonic needed another bad aspect of what is already likely a bad match up.
Sakurai!!!
P.S. Since I don’t know where to put this tidbit, in that same series of matches, which were Team Battle since Sakurai made trying to Free For All against three computers retarded for some reason, I found that if you have Team Attack on, you can’t heal your teammate with Team Healer and it will instead act like a weapon like when hits people who aren’t on your team.
Sonic has been dead to me for like a week now.
I’m not liking the new layout, unless you’re going to spoiler tag all of them. Either do that or don’t bother with the spoiler tags.
As far as match-ups, I still say that there’s like no way to tell for the most given what M3D, some others, and myself have been saying with regards to tournaments and online lag.
As for pros and cons, you could just copy and paste the ones you think fit from SmashWiki. It’s not like anything’s original any more and I doubt anyone’s going to get on your ass, especially since Smashboards is still (trying to be the only one) dedicating rules and opinions as facts.
Toon Link.
That’s no good!
But, seriously, I think I might actually end up maining Sonic since I hate mirror matches and he’s from one of the few franchises in the game that I like and have played extensively.
But, more seriously, Pit is an asshole.
The layout for the list looks great ; you gonna tag all of them? Game and Watch has good matchups, but I’m not sure who they’re against since I haven’t played all of the cast. I know for a fact that he walks all over the bottom tier. His bad matchups are Snake, Marth, Ike (debatable) for sure.
Yeah, I’m gonna tag all of them eventually, it’s just that I’m being a bit lazy right now.
Where does Fox fall into the character ranking???
Layout looks sweet.
Mario has a bad matchup against anyone that can eat/reflect projectiles, because it nearly destroys his fireball approach. Not to say you can’t be clever about it. He also isn’t much better against spammers, though he has short hop fireball > grab.
The only really visibly good matchups I’ve had were Sonic and Falcon, and both players were around my skill level. Fireballs stop Falcon’s kick and raptor boost, and they also stop Sonic’s spin moves. So it kind of stunts their ground game a bit.
Dair isn’t bad. D: It’s amazing, in my opinion. It hits in the weirdest places, and I’ve even killed with it. Most people will assume they can hit through it, and end up getting knocked back by the final hit.
Cape is lame for the same reason you stated. FLUDD is, also, but it does have it’s very very situational uses. A fully charged FLUDD leaves your opponent right in front of you, usually.
His back throw kills, and he can combo up+tilt into up+b (I call that Maryureppa), but that’s about it.
Why are you using the spoilers tag? Why not just have everything out there?
Look at the first page.
To save space, just imagine how ridiculously long that post would be without them.
@cornertrap, did you factor ness’s bthrow when you placed him
Don’t worry, I’m about to move Ness up to the middle part of the mid tier. People have already made arguments to convince me that Ness is better than what I gave him credit for.
Link matchup analysis
Bowser - 8:2 Link
Captain Falcon - 7:3 Falcon
Charizard - 8:2 Link
Diddy Kong - 7:3 Diddy
Donkey Kong - 6:4 Link
Falco - 8:2 Falco
Fox - 8:2 Fox
Game & Watch - 8:2 Link
Ganondorf - 6:4 Link
Ice Climbers - 6:4 Link
Ike - 6:4 Link
Ivysaur - 7:3 Link
Jigglypuff - 7:3 Jigglypuff
King Dedede- 8:2 D3.
Kirby- 7:3 Link.
Link- 5:5.
Lucario - 8:2 Link
Lucas - 7:3 Lucas
Luigi - 6:4 Link
Mario - 6:4 Mario
Marth - 8:2 Marth.
Meta Knight- 8:2 Metaknight
Ness - 7:3 Link
Peach - 8:2 Peach.
Pikachu - 6:4 Pikachu.
Pikman & Olimar - 8:2 Olimar.
Pit - 7:3 Pit.
R.O.B. - 7:3 R.O.B.
Samus - 8:2 Samus.
Sheik - 8:2 Sheik.
Snake - 6:4 Snake.
Sonic - 7:3 Sonic.
Squirtle - 7:3 Squirtle.
Toon Link - 7:3 TL.
Wario - 6:4 Wario.
Wolf- 8:2 Wolf
Yoshi - 8:2 Link.
Zelda - 6:4 Zelda.
Zero Suit Samus - 8:2 ZSS.
13 good matchups
25 bad or less than favorable ones
lower end of mid tier, imho
My dumb ass forgot that theres actually a size limit to posts. So I’m going to ask for Orochi Zoolander to delte his first post so that my two posts will be closer together.
9-1 is pretty serious, that’s like ST Akuma v Zangief bad. I find it hard to believe that there are many matchups that bad in this game.
edited for accuracy
yeah some of the matchups werent as bad as initially made out to be