Go play dr. stormlocke then you’ll see, he throws them at you if you camp but if you approach him he keeps it in his hand so you both get hit by the grenade except since snake is broken he takes less damage and ALOT less knockback then you, Meanwhile you have to escape whatever traps he set AND avoid the deadly boost smash…it’s official snake is broken tier.
Boost smashing pushed him over the top IMO.
Because he’s three characters in one maybe? Each with their own strength’s and weakness?
I don’t know…Lucario’s definitely not right outside of low tier.
It’s a bit of an exaggeration that he CAN’T kill anyone until he’s about to die. His power is definitely less, but it’s not like he is useless until he reaches that point. He has enough priority to beat people without swords, thanks to his disjointed hitbox, and his potential for stringing attacks together and racking up damage is very high.
When your damage does get that high, Lucario is absolutely vicious. He is a character that is suited to make comebacks, and it’s not uncommon to go on a run when you’re halfway through a stock.
Lucario’s approach is also above average. His air and ground games flow pretty seamlessly together, and mixing it up with aura spheres/force palms makes him pretty tricky to deal with. He is more mobile than he looks in the air, and has a lot of options on the air and the ground.
Now I’m not saying he should be high or top, because it’s easy to see how his somewhat inferior but still useful projectile is outclassed by high/top people. You simply have to outwork and outthink the other player in those situations. But, outside of those characters, the high/mid tiers I don’t see them having a ridiculous advantage over Lucario that’d drop him almost into low tier.
These topics get old, fast. And I am not just saying that because my favorite character, Ganondorf, is on the very bottom of everyone’s list. This is going to be another generic post about how these topics are biased. I will attempt to prove a valid point with providing my opinion on how people always mention their favorite character first. I will then introduce a counter point on how that character has many flaws that can be overcome with skill and expertise. Finally, I will then mention my opinion on where my character falls on a tier list.
Y’all post to fast for me to keep up. I’ll going to do a massive up date on the list according to the posts y’all just made.
How do I make text bigger and add spoiler tags? I don’t see those options on my toolbar, but I’ve seen other posters use them before.
^I’d wait a bit longer. This obviously needs to be talked about alot more.
Gee, thanks. I didn’t know that.
I’m also considering that they seemed designed to assist each other.
WTF am I smoking? How about tournament results from all of the major regions in the country for Smash and five years of experience as a professional tournament director? How about direct access to the best Smashers in the country? If none of that works for you, then I guess you’re right and I’m wrong. shrug
This exemplifies the problem with this thread. The vast majority of you are just playing theory fighter. You play with your friends online and then you come to a message board to argue about who’s crew knows the game better. Go to a real tournament, not some cheesy message board online tournament, and play against the top players in the country. Until you do, you don’t really know the game.
Here’s some hard evidence to satisfy the people looking for tournament results:
Washington DC area:
~25 entrants (including 4 of the top 10 smashers in the country) three weeks ago
Top characters: Metaknight (1st and 2nd place), Snake, ROB, Ike, ZSS
70+ entrants two weeks ago
Top characters: Lucario, Dedede, Snake, Metaknight, Olimar, Pit, ROB
70+ entrants this past weekend
Top characters: Pit, Dedede, Snake, Metaknight, ROB, Marth, Ice Climbers
Jersey/NY
~40 entrants last weekend
Top characters: Marth, Ice Climbers, Metaknight, Wolf
Midwest
~50 entrants two weeks ago
Top characters: G&W (1st and 2nd place), ROB, Lucario, Snake, Metaknight, Falco, Wario
**Smashboards/Wifi Wars Online **
Wifiwars Ladders - over 1500 active players
Top characters: ROB, Metaknight, Zelda, Marth, Game & Watch, Falco
1400 entrants last weekend
Top characters: ROB, Metaknight, Wolf, Zelda, Marth, Lucario, Pit, Game & Watch
Sadly, the Texas and West Coast peeps are slacking on posting results and character data. However, I’ve been told by a TO out in Seattle that Snake has won every tournament so far there and I’ve talked to the SoCal peeps who tell me that ROB, Marth, Snake & Metaknight are donging on kids out there.
Anyone else see the trend? Metaknight appears in every region as one of the top characters. Just cause he doesn’t have a multitude of KO moves doesn’t negate his insane ability to combo, ridiculous recovery, excellent evasion and high priority. Unless all of that magically goes away somehow, Metaknight is top tier. No question.
M3D said combo.
In Brawl?
hehe.
Combos are a pretty regular occurrence in brawl. 
No they’re not.
Meta is a damn good character. No question.
So when I’m grabbing with Ike and doing Up+B on low percentages, that’s not a combo?
Or when Falco chain grabs, that’s not considered a combo?
Chain grabs are not combos.
I didn’t say they’re not in brawl. They just don’t occur regularly. At all. Go in training and turn on the help option and you’ll see.
Hey guys.
Can we stop posting like this.
It’s very annoying to look at.
And purposely uninformative.
lol dave
If something is done CONSECUTIVELY and the opponent CAN’T GET OUT OF IT, THAT’S A FUCKING COMBO. IF IT FUCKING LOOKS LIKE A DUCK, FEELS LIKE A DUCK, AND QUACKS LIKE A DUCK, I GUESS IT’S JUST A CHAIN GRAB INSTEAD, AMIRITE?
Ducks are high tier.
Let’s talk about the most favorable chain throw in melee. Marth vs. fox.
This was the best chain throw opportunity in the game IMO…but it can be DIed out of.
Out of 0%? Sorry, no. Even if it’s only two or three grabs, it’s a combo.
I suppose.
But yeah, combos don’t come up in the game too often at all. DI ing is so much easier now.
They happen often enough with people who know how to use the characters. Marth chasing you with hop neutral airs into a dair or fair until you’re off the stage is an example.