test audiences were confused and pissed that there wasn’t any credit scene for Spidey in the actual movie itself, so this got tossed in.
@The Damned The biggest part of why Cap works in modern times is that he is a good guy, but he isn’t soft, nor is dumb at ALL.
It shows in this HARD. lol
eh, captain america winter soldier was straight, but not all this hype yall been talking about. i’ll have to rewatch it, but i think “thor dark worlds” is still the best marvel movie yet.
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it wasnt bad. i dont think it was better then thor dark worlds, but it wasnt great. basically the movie was a ton of shit that made no logical sense, and explosions. so for anyone who shits on michael bay for doing that, but love winter soldier, you need to go sit the fuck down, because captain america was no better.
it was worth the money, although i almost walked out of the theater the last 10 minutes. i dont know, it just felt like a shit ton of fluff that makes you forget how much a ton of whats going on is poorly written, and makes no sense. things that could have easily been fixed by competent writers imo. there was a lot of shit equivalent to lois lane falling away from a black hole in man of steel, in levels of stupidity, and who the fuck wrote that scene. a scene that could have been easily better by having superman grab her, and struggle against the black hole trying to fly away from it in order to protect lois, not having her fall while fucking debris from ground level is being sucked up into it. the stupidest movie shit ever, and captain america is riddled with a lot of that, but it started off well, had some uh what moments during the nick fury car scene, smoothed out, then a ton of up and down moments.
i left the theater feeling like im done with marvel movies in the theater, just wait for their commercial release, but i’ll most likely still see spiderman 2 and guardians of the galaxy (only for rocket)
…It’s fine if you dont’ think the movie was that hype…but don’t say blatantly wrong things next to it.
Oh dear.
I know…you must be going through some hard times Jimmy. Have you…have you told your friends and family you have taste cancer yet?
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I’m just fucking with you 
. But, seriously. Thor 2 nigga? Eww
Anyone who thinks Thor 2 was a good move let alone better then cap 2 deserves to be gang raped up the ass by 20 inch steel dicks with no lube while their parents watch.
Such a vivid imagination you have…
It was a solid movie, but not up to this one’s ballpark. Simple as that.
The problem is that I don’t even think Thor 2 was solid.
I enjoyed the scenes with Loki but the story was dumb, the villain forgettable and the tone was absolutely atrocious. It had the “iron man 3” problem in that 90% of the characterization and story telling existed simply to set up for unfunny jokes and the obnoxious comedic relief supporting cast. Natalie Portman’s jane foster is a terrible love interest and her little lab assistant bitch was a unrelenting gag feel of annoying stupidity. In short this movie made me hate Thor even though I love the characters comic counterpart.
Thor 2 was a better Iron Man 2 than Iron Man 2 in that it set up some of the cosmic elements and mystical elements that Guardians and maybe Dr. Strange may tackle.
Thor 2 was good. Better than the first obviously, and better than IM2 and IM3. Cap was baller as fuck though, I enjoyed the hell out of that movie. Glad that Cap didn’t deal with everybody out of camera frame like the first movie. Instead, he finds a way to make fucking running AMAZING.
if i was cap, id run all the time just for fun. on your left sovi3t. lol
(Haha at a Marvel movie being blatantly scared of another Marvel movie. Oh, licensing issues…)
I’m not sure what this Thor: The Dark World thing is, but it sounds terrible.
More seriously, though, I literally have no idea what Thor: The Dark World is about still, but I’ve also literally not seen anyone speak well of it, even fangirls (and fanboys) who would normally be all over Hemsworth’s or Hiddleston’s dicks (literally).
Anyway, while you are indeed entitled to your capitalization-hating opinions, jimmy1200, I’ll just respond to some things since I’m eternally bored and procrastinating like that. I’ll just enumerate my responds to the spoiler stuff since…yeah.
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[details=Spoiler]1. He didn’t get blown off the bridge by a “simple” grenade. He blown off the bridge by a fucking rocket launcher. The fact that he didn’t fly farther than he did or get burned (up) means that the shield did absorb the kinetic energy, but there’s only a limit to how much it can absorb before kinetic energy starts to affect it to some degree. I mean, you talk about it taking The Winter Soldier’s punches like they were “nothing”, but if anything, even The Winter Soldier’s punches were something that pushed Captain America a bit and things he felt/had to push against, which shows how much stronger the film version of Bucky is than the comics version.
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I don’t see how “crouch push-blocking desperately with no other real options to stop other people from getting killed” is the same as “balls to the walls”, but that may just be me. As for why the guy didn’t aim for the legs, that’s a semi-valid point, but it’s not exactly as if everyone is necessarily going to realize that in the heat of the moment. Minions are often idiotic or short-sighted anyway unless specified otherwise since they’re just fodder and it’s not as if it was something particularly egregious given Captain America wasn’t standing straight up.
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Fury needed Pierce for the retinal scan, so putting a bullet in his head wouldn’t exactly work. Similarly, with Pierce’s hand hovering over the button, even shooting him is risky since he might still be able to reflexively press it as he’s dying; despite what a lot of movies want you to think, most people don’t instantly die from bullets even if you shoot them in the head. Finally, I got the impression that Fury shooting Pierce was a kind of last resort. It would make sense that he want to keep Pierce alive for interrogation given how high in Hydra he was even as much as Pierce fucked up him over, but…yeah.
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The movie mentioned that Zola experimented on Bucky’s group, which basically all but explicitly means that the movie version of the Winter Soldier is pretty much as strong as Captain America. To me, that makes more sense than him just being an otherwise normal human with a metal arm like in the comics since a still-normal human with that type of arm would cripple themselves or have that arm ripped out of its socket any time they did something super-strong.
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You…answered your own question. Cap was trying to prove that he wasn’t a threat to The Winter Soldier so that he could reach Bucky and he got punched in the face for it. No one says it was smart, but at the same time it makes sense, especially since he explicitly said he didn’t want to fight Bucky several times. And, hell, it worked since Bucky saved his ass before disappearing. Still, it was a risky move. No doubt.
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Somewhat true. Not exactly sure explosives would work given how much of a tank Fury’s car was, which is why they ended up aiming at the windows, but at the time, I was a bit weirded out at how conspicuous that initial assassin attempt was, even with the police cover. Then, at the same time, given the police cover, it seems like they would want to maintain that, which explosions would break. Of course, then the chase happened, which couldn’t be blamed on a supervillain attack like The Winter Soldier showing up in the middle of traffic could, so…
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If that suit wasn’t something you had to suspend belief for, then it would already exist in real life most likely. At least they had the decency to make the Falcon’s suit have wings pretty much as large as they should be “realistically” and give him a small jetpack on top of that.
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Yeah, I don’t think he explicitly told her given he didn’t really trust Natasha for a while even after she gave him back the drive, but he did trust her enough to have her tag along and it wasn’t too long before Zola basically told them both how compromised S.H.I.E.L.D. was, so moot point.
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Bruce Banner and Tony Stark were two of their initial targets, which means that at best, Hulk may have been a problem since Banner’s practically immortal, but Iron Man would have been dead and given Hulk can’t fly… As for “machine gunning the world”, they chose that way because they explicitly said they had millions of selective targets and long-range sniping with bullets is way less collateral damage than bombing people is.
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I’d imagine that Hydra didn’t want to call attention to itself just yet. There’s really no reason for Pierce to have any actual control or much control over the Strike team, which is all Hydra (all the time), from what we were told, even after Fury’s “death”. Additionally, they were trying to limit Cap’s movement as much as possible and they had no reason to “take him down” before he walked out of Pierce’s office. Just telling him to wait there would make him a lot more suspicious than he became in the elevator and give him a lot more space and time to prepare as well as potentially endangering Pierce or exposing Hydra before Project Insight got off the ground. Really, the only flaws with the elevator were having those surly ass guys get on at the third stop and not taking into account that Captain America might be able to survive jumping out of glass elevator if he has his shield. The latter was something that Hydra didn’t anticipate obviously given Sitwell’s reaction and even then Rogers barely made it out of the Triskelion.
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This wasn’t a Michael Bay movie by any means unless I missed the parts where there were three times as many explosions, stilted-ass dialogue for half of the movie, racist & toilet attempts at awkward “humor”, a couple of scenes were women needlessly had glasses on show how “smart” they were, shaky-ass cameras especially during fights where you can’t see or tell what’s going on and Megan Fox as one of the protagonists.
What movie did you see, seriously?
Jimmy wants Thor’s hammer
i saw a movie that was basically bad boys 2 the marvel version, but with less racial stereotypes. i fucks with bad boys 1 and 2, but what captain america could have been, it was not, and its frustrating because i feel it was there. it shows it was there during certain moments in the movie, and then the next 20 minutes after a good scene is like, that was enjoyable, but wtf, why. it needed better writing fo sho, but its frustrating because i feel many of its problems could have been easily fixed.
also, come at me bro. i can do this all night. lol
[details=Spoiler]1) while there may be some inconsistencies with caps shield in the movies. it can absorb the kinetic energy of a rocket. where have you been. you have to be joking. for movies sake, it varies in its ability to absorb kinetic energy due to poor writing, but in general a rocket is not a problem for captain americas shield. if you wanna argue, its a movie, and they took certain liberties with his shield, so relax on the comic book comparisons, then okay, but dont act like caps shield loses to a puny fucking rocket. lol. i just did not like how they did his shield in this movie. i mean, the cap i know would have jumped through the fucking window, tucked feet down onto his shield, landed, rolled and ran. he landed like a fucking idiot, half on his shield. ugh
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captain america wasnt fighting schlubs. he was fighting men that were fully aware of his capabilities and at least a general knowledge of what his shield could do, and dealing with bullets is the easiest of things the shield can do. i was looking more for captain america to use his genius level tactical skills to setup ways to deal with him vs 15 dudes with machine guns, rather then, eh, im just gonna fucking run at them and hope they only aim for the shield. thats pretty f’ing stupid imo. we saw him use these skills in the movie intro on the ship. THAT WAS FUCKING AWESOME, and then as the movie progresses, he somtimes uses them, and sometimes just plows forward like an idiot. its very inconsistent. they really didnt wanna do homework on caps shield, and have a lot of fun in him abusing the awesomeness of it to do some uber awesome shit, that would allow him to defeat 15 goons with machine guns, only having a shield.
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um no, they already got the fucking retinal scan before he pushed the button and murdered the counsel. he should have instantly put a bullet in him as soon as he saw counsel members dropping. yeah, some people survive gun shots to the head, but let me put a round from a 45 or 9mm into your frontal lobe, and see if you somehow fall to the ground still with the remote (iphone) in hand, and your finger presses the button. thats highly unlikely. worth the risk? well, considering he could have just walked to the door, went through, then hit the button and ran from a crippled nick fury, killing black widow, yeah i would say busting a hot shell in his head immediately as i noticed him killing of the counsel would be my first thought.
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yeah, i just didnt like it. it made little sense to me. put your shield away, set it down, why the fuck drop it into the ocean hoping your brainwashed friend might not break your fucking neck. lol. it just seemed like some poorly written moment of emotional nonsense. i just didnt like that moment of weakness from captain america, considering he had been murdering people throughout the movie. lol. dont tell me those dudes survived getting blasted in the head by his shield, or when he took down that jet on the bridge. eh
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word. im just sayin, if youre not worried about collateral damage, making a scene, and possibly getting caught, then 8 duffel bags of explosives would handle that car unless it was made out of adamantium.
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yeah, i was just hoping they added their own twist on the suit a little, or something. im like, how are the jets not burning his ass cheeks off right now. lol. maybe giving him a special suit to wear to deal with the heat at the very least. eh, my scientific brain was just yelling at me like wut, how.
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but that still makes no sense whatsoever. its not like the hellicarrier can move around the world at the speed of light, murdering people, and its machine gun fire from above, so theyre just gonna tack on an extra few million in collateral damage anyways. one bullet from those fucking turrets would rip through like 8 stories at least. it seemed like such a dated, and stupid way to kill people who may oppose you due to their internet habbits, which is stupid considering everyone talks mad shit online, and wont do shit offline about it. they wouldnt make it out of fucking america before the hulk jumped up and ravaged at least two of the hellicarriers in two minutes. tony stark is a genius in the marvel universe, if you think he couldnt get close to a hellicarrier, then you are severely underestimating who tony stark is. also, although they downplay hulks abilities a bit. hulk could literally just leap from florida to ireland if he wanted to. lol. im not going to get into how he would even judge that leap, but im just saying, hulk covering ground quickly is not an issue. can the hulk swim? lol. it was just a dumb idea, so in a world of super powered human beings, your going to send 3 ships around the world to murder 20 million people, and what, the other 6+ billion are just going to bow down, well at least until the hulk smashes everything, or thor shows up to protect his lovely natalie portman, and tony stark sends a fleet of drones after your ships to destroy them, and or disable/override them. it would have been more of a threat if those people had all been infected with like some type of nanotech, and if captain and crew didnt stop something, the nanorobots would activate, killing the host. simply flying around shooting at targets is the dumbest idea ever. i dont even care if that was in the comics.
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see, i think that was poor writing. it seemed out of nowhere and fairly unprovoked. if anything, for all pierce knew, captain america didnt know shit, and he really didnt other then shield was compromised, which could mean a lot of things. sending the goons after him immediately, rather then just ask captain to stay at the residents until further notice, was an immediate, oh okay, pierce is the bad guy “ah haa moment” for captain. they may have gotten away with the dudes attacking him, saying they just wanted to keep him and interrogate him, but not hurt him, they were just scared he would escape, to try to maintain his trust, but instead after he beat them down and got away, they sent a fucking jet after him that started fucking shooting at him, trying to kill him. if your intent was to immobilize captain america, simply tossing in some knockout gas into the elevator, then have men waiting below for when he inevitably jumps out the window to shoot him with tranquilizers would make more sense. rather then send a bunch of goons into an elevator. it made for good action porn, but was pretty stupid.
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Yo The Damned, jetpacks and other tech like that are close if we’ve done these already.
I’m going to get very talky now. Wall incoming.
For instance, consider: BattleMechs = completely viable, ESPECIALLY with the artificial muscle tech there. I have some ideas for fusion reactors based on the Polywell model, and aneutronic fusion is worth consideration. tl;dr BattleTech was off by about 400 years too many for the 1st humongous, realistic giant robot. (the Mackie, the very 1st, was finished in 2439. LOL hold that shit classic BT BOOM).
So, as an example, my math works it out to this, with margin for error/variation.
Take me, who weighs about 340 lbs with 230+ of it being muscle(I’ve been working out since my pre-teens, am 22 now, and I look a LOT like this motherfucker
body type wise:
http://i.imgur.com/Pf1z7lE.jpg
<guys a high-end sumo wrestler in a new anime BTW), and can lift more than my own weight with certain exercises(well over 400+ with leg presses for instance).
Assume I get a fully-functional powered armor operational in the next 6 months(Not as tough as you lot might think! It’ll be the 1st in line for me in this regard, gotta finish my Gauss cannon stuff tonight, first!) and still remain about that weight of 300+, with that compound used effectively as a direct boost to my own strength, like a literal power glove(like in that one episode of Samurai Jack, yo the robots there doe), absolute maximum lifting output would be well over 180 metric tons, or over 400,000 pounds after accounting for a boost of 1000 times, and assuming I can get the EAP(electro-active polymer, learn the terminology!) to directly affect physical stuff.
If not the full boost, I’d get at least a 50x boost if I follow the abstract theory properly(as in the article, they didn’t make it efficient yet; PATENT FOR MECHWARRIOR MAYBE),
that still has me lifting about 5 tons max with my arms, and over 10 with leg stuff, in-suit.
And this is not even getting CLOSE to how brolic an actual battlemech expy would be.
Say the Atlas
Damn, nigga.
Also, about the stuff itself, vanadium is, first off, VERY tough, jet engine internal stuff yeah, AND it’s cheap: roughly 25$ a kilogram for the raw metal.
I’ll have that power armor ready(for me to go places and brag about SWAG) by 2015, dead-ass.
I like Thor The Dark World, alot like this film it improved a great deal over the original (although it isn’t that hard since IMO origin films always are less interesting aside from Iron Man 1) all that being said enjoy Winter Soldier more, primarily because the action, liked the story but seriously twas the action scenes no matter crazed that made this film my favorite solo superhero film.
Thor 2 was dog shit. I was unpleasantly reminded when viewed again through PS3.
Cap 2 was solid. I liked it all the way through. Finally we could see Rogers cut loose! Several times!
Fuck that lame ass ‘reboot’ of Spiderman…
~K.
(Uh…so noted, MechWarrior. I disagree that it’s all that close, but I’m surprisingly not a science-oriented guy, at least on the side of applied sciences, so I really don’t have an informed opinion on it.)
And of course that post got quoted before I caught all the typos and went for a walk (last night). Sigh. Oh well, I always miss something anyway. I think I finally caught everything I omitted or misspelled.
For the record, I haven’t seen either Bad Boys movies, so yeah, I can’t comment on that either. The closest thing I’ve seen is, I guess, Hot Fuzz since I normally don’t like action movies.
But, sure, why not continue to do this so long as we’re both being relatively respectful? Even as much as your lack of capitalization literally pains me (as in actually hurts my eyesight for some reason), I can…not word things like they’re innuendo. So I’ll just say that I’m just as bored rather than “can go all night” or “all day” or something that could be misconstrued as libidinous and stamina-related. [/prudish tangent]
Before I go on though, I figured I should post this misunderstanding since we were talking about Thor: The Dark World. Apparently China got a bit…confused about a poster for it, which is rather amusing, if about half a year old: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/07/chinese-movie-theater-uses-fan-made-thor-2-poster.
then gets distracted by finally watching John Dies at the End, watching half of Frankenstein’s Army, sleeping and then other things
So, where were we? …Right. I’ll just list things by topics since we already agreed on some things or there were things I just didn’t comment on. It’s easier than redoing now confusing enumeration.
[details=Spoiler]With regards to Cap’s shield: I will gladly concede that I may be incorrect about the shield not being able to take a rocket without knockback in the movies since I already said that I didn’t see Captain America: The First Avenger or The Avengers. So, if it did indeed happen that he took a rocket in one of those movies (since he “only” took one rocket in this one) and just stood there, you would be correct that it is inconsistent. I’d still probably argue that this was an inconsistency for the better if that was the case, but I would at least agree with you that it was inconsistent. Do you mind telling me which movie you’re talking about where this supposedly happened though? The closest thing that I’m aware of is the shield taking a Mjolnir-strike from a supposedly mad Thor in The Avengers, but as I understand it, that strike was angled downward from above, so…
With regards to jumping: Yeah, I did kinda raise my eyebrow at that too, but given that Sitwell and even arguably Cap himself were surprised and the movies have basically focused on the super part of the “super-soldier” serum, it’s basically fair to say that movie Cap is firmly “superhuman” rather than merely “peak human”.
With regards to cronies and leg-aiming: 15 guys? You are completely exaggerating given he only fought three of them and they weren’t complete idiots even if the leg thing was an arguable point, which I still don’t think it is for reasons I’ll now explain. They did try to use tactics because they immediately try to pin him down with the minigun and flank him, which would have worked even after one of them essentially shot themselves (ironically, aiming rather low, perhaps for Captain America’s legs) if Mr. Wilson–heh–hadn’t shot the other guy who didn’t have the minigun.
Speaking of the minigun, part of the reason that I disagree with you on this despite seeing where you are coming from is that because I think you’re (greatly) underestimating both how easy it is to aim and hit someone’s limbs even with an automatic weapon and the weight of the minigun. The weight of an average minigun is apparently 85 pounds, which helps explain why the minigun basically ended up being immobilized to the point where he just got forced to take a Charging Star to the face after his two buddies got shot. Can you imagine how difficult it must be to specifically aim those things? Much less have to the vary angle of what you’re aiming at as it closes in? While on top of relatively unstable terrain given he was standing on top of a dented car roof? …Yeah.
It’s also not exactly fair to compare Captain America’s scary efficiency on the ship with this battle since on the ship, even with all his prowess, he also had the element of surprise. Whereas here he was shaking off an explosion to the face that would have killed most other people.
Could that Captain America have handled it better given the circumstances? Possibly. Could the minions have handled it better given they were pressing an advantage? Maybe. Could the scene have been bettered in some way, however minor? Probably.
Is it anywhere near the travesty of idiocy and tactical error that you seem to be making it out to be? No.
With regards to shooting Pierce: Oh, so you did indeed mean after the retinal scan. If you go back and look, you’ll see that your wording about it wasn’t clear about when Fury “should” have shot him. I still say that Fury wanted Pierce taken alive if possible for the Hydra intel they have could extracted from him. After all, even after finding out Pierce was a traitor, Fury never explicitly said he wanted Pierce dead even though he had literally every reason to want that and doubtless the authority to do it as well since Pierce was committing treason among a bunch of other things.
Otherwise, yeah, then I’d agree that it would be very stupid to not dispose of him if immediately after (or even before) the retinal scan if he wanted him dead. This especially when the phone thing was the one part of the plot I felt was a potential “Idiot Ball” oversight in an otherwise great movie as I also already mentioned. Given that Fury probably didn’t want to have shoot Pierce though…yeah.
As for your “offer”, I’ll pass. Feel free to try it out yourself and tell us how it works out though.
With regards to shield-dropping: Oh, I can definitely understand not liking having him drop the shield since some people in the theater I was in openly groaned when that happened. This especially considering that The Winter Soldier had brutally shot him three or four times in the back when he already wasn’t trying to defend himself. That said, it still makes sense, but, yeah, being made really uncomfortable it is something I can understand. That happens though (and arguably should happen).
With regards to Captain America murdering people: …Actually, I’ll talk about this outside of the spoiler since it’s something I wanted to talk about in my initial post before it got too damn long and you already brought up Man of Steel, which I also already wanted to bring up. So see below please.
With regards to Fury’s car: Yeah, probably. Shrug. It just seems like they underestimated Fury’s car in general even with battering ram. There’s the possibility that they didn’t want to try to transport that many explosives though, especially since it was possible they would end up in car chase, which is what happened. I mean, if Hydra loyalists were fanatical enough to be willing to die for their cause without any second thought like in the comics, then I could see a stronger case for trying to use explosives, even to the point of suicide bombing Fury if necessary. That clearly wasn’t the case in the movie given Sitwell though, so…yeah. Shrug again.
I can understand where you’re coming from here at least though. To me it’s probably a combination of them underestimating Fury’s car & Fury himself and (slightly) overestimating the Winter Soldier since they obviously had Bucky around as a back-up plan should Fury escape. The highly public part is what bothers me more, but I suppose it doesn’t help that we never found out where Fury actually lives and what his place is actually like; it wouldn’t surprise me if it was even more armored than his car, so in public was perhaps the best opportunity they had given the cover they used.
With regards to Falcon’s suit: Yeah, same. I don’t think the afterburners are that strong though, so ultimately it’s nice touch as with the goggles and wingspan, especially compared to his original “please shoot me”-colored suit in the comics. As far as “realism” goes with regards to the Falcon, I was more surprised he didn’t break his arm catching Cap with one arm or break his ankles being forced to parachute land that close to the top of the Triskelion. Meh. Those are fairly minor things that I can keep my disbelief suspended for though, especially since pretty much every movie does that (unfortunately); it probably helps that Rumlow kicked his ass almost immediately afterward, so one could take that as evidence of him already being hurt to some non-visible degree even though we didn’t see a lot of that fight…
With regards to helicarrier-based genocide: Oh, I’m not saying that Tony Stark isn’t a genius. I’m saying he’d be dead before he knew what happened given he wasn’t informed of anything (and presumably couldn’t be), which genius rarely helps to fix. While Hulk might live as pointed out, as also pointed out Hulk can’t actually fly and he only jump so high and so far. At most, all they have to do is get really high over any large body of water and Hulk can’t do anything except for maybe throw things. He’s not that fast and he’s definitely susceptible to being knocked back by a strong enough force, especially midair.
I do agree that Thor is potentially a problem, but he is literally the least reliable person among The Avengers given he’s not even on Earth most of the time (just like in the comics). I’d imagine they probably would have just tried using Loki’s scepter and/or “The Twins” to deal with him if he came back, especially given it would be rather obvious when came back; subtle Thor is not. Given he wasn’t on Earth at all though (again) and they could probably could have swept the global killing at least a few million, if not ten million or more, of the people they targeted without much resistance relatively quickly…yeah.
That said, I’m neither sure what happened in the comics (or if anything like this ever happened in comics) given I haven’t read American superhero comics with regularity in almost a decade nor am I trying to sell you that plan was flawless by any means. You originally asked why they were using the methods they were using on those they targeted and that’s what I answered about. I’m not sure how much nanotech exists in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, if any at all, but nanotech is pretty infamous for going horribly haywire even in theory. (See: “Grey Goo”.) So I can imagine that even Hydra wouldn’t want to pursue that type of method–if they even could given they’re not A.I.M.–since they wanted to rule the world, not potentially destroy it (for science!).
Besides, every “take over the world” plan is pretty flawed anyway when you think about it.
With regards to attacking Captain America: Oh, I do agree that the sudden timing of it is part of what made him (further) suspicious, but at the same time, him just being suspicious doesn’t equal him actually knowing anything since…he didn’t. After all, even suspecting Pierce is the “bad guy” rather than someone who is merely going overboard due to stoic grief because his friend just got killed does nothing to help him. I mean, Captain America has no evidence on Pierce and didn’t have any at all until Zola essentially spilled the beans while stalling for time to have he and Nat killed.
On top of that, even Pierce if told him “please, go back to your shot-up residence” or “take up residence at this location”, there’s nothing to say he’ll actually listen to them. It would have also given him more time to think and dig around and also made make it a lot more suspect when “S.H.I.E.L.D.” shows up in the middle of the night to try to take Captain America down for seemingly nothing after having let him off the premises in the first place.
As for the other two things, the jet was actually firing in front of him for the most part rather than at him and it clearly gave him a warning rather than just opening fire; I’m not saying he couldn’t have died, but the jet was clearly holding back. Also, tranqs and other drugs don’t really work on Captain America. I’m pretty sure that was explained one of the other movies if we’re bringing up potential inconsistencies from other movies, so…yeah.[/details]
As for Captain America “murdering” people, part of what I liked about this movie is that Captain America didn’t actually kill anyone as far as I could tell. Despite the body count for the amount of people that died in this movie possibly outstripping The Avengers and thus being second to only to Man of Steel probably when it comes to superhero movies, Captain America actually did his best to not kill anyone even when he had reason to. Unlike Man of Steel, where Superman was apparently completely uninterested in explicitly saving anyone not named Lois Lane or his mother, which is part of what made his grief over killing Zod to save four random strangers (who fail at ducking) so ridiculous, Cap went out of his way to use non-lethal methods; let’s not even start about how Superman further wrecked an already devastated Metropolis among other things when he didn’t have to.
Sure, Captain America didn’t exactly mind some of the pirates getting shot since it was either them or the hostages’s lives and just because he didn’t merc people left and right (like Black Widow) doesn’t mean that he played nice. But, really, “murdering people throughout the movie” is a huge stretch if we’re talking about deaths he was directly involved in, especially since didn’t even pick up a gun in this movie unlike, as I understand it, the other two modern movies he was in. At best, Captain America “murdered” like two or three people through the entire movie: that guy he Battletoad kicked overboard, the guy he Shield Slashed in the face when he was aiming for Batroc and then the guy whose bullets he deflected back during the minigun scene. Given none of those people were confirmed dead…yeah.
Granted, I may be forgetting like one or two people, but unless you’re going to pin the death of every Hydra agent on the three helicarriers on him, then he didn’t exactly murder a lot of people, if anyone, much less throughout the entire movie. Even if you did pin that on him, you have to pin that exact same number on Sam Wilson, who was also a lot more willing to have put Bucky down and actually, definitively killed at least two people before the ending sequence.
What I’m getting at here is that Captain America going out of his way to not kill people is part of why him being willing to go shield-less and not fight back and potentially die to save Bucky makes sense even if, yeah, it’s really uncomfortable to see him get shot in the back and punched in the face while not fighting back. It’s why the “Before we get started, does anyone wanna get out?” line in the elevator actually comes off as somewhat sincere since Rogers is genuinely extremely nice. Defenseless discomfort aside, there is also the issue that someone else already pointed out in that they didn’t do as much to show just how much Bucky meant to him outside of him go in defenseless shock during the reveal. Your issue, though, seems to be him apparently committing the sin of showing emotion at all–how dare he–even though he still went about prioritizing his mission to save people over trying to save Bucky, which he only did after all three helicarriers were sabotaged.
Feel agree to disagree with me on any of this though since you apparently also have all the time in the world and I’m not exactly looking to convince you of anything, much less everything. I’m just refuting things as I see them.
Regardless, I’ll be around, eternally bored as ever.
Cap doesn’t care about not killing the enemy. He is about the mission and saving hostages.
He isn’t pansy batman worrying about killing multiple guys who kills relentlessly.
He will take out enemies no problem. He killed tons of aliens and nazis.
I hate this notion of a hero can’t kill
Fuck you
Rambo, robocop, terminator 2, and most movies say otherwise