The funny thing is that this is exactly how it is in the comics, it’s been a running gag forever that no one knows/believes that Spider-Man is actually an Avenger; he always has to whip out his ID card to prove it.
I loved those videos. I recall there was a point when Wolvie was actually on 4 teams and actually in multiple places at the same time because of books occurring at the same time. One book he was on Astroid M, then in the other series he was in Canada, then he was also in Japan in another book. Wolverine was the best way to sell books so he was in everything for a while. It got ridiculous.
And yet my suggestion that spiderman be in avengers is considered ridiculous.
Spider-Man can be in an Avengers flick. Just not as a full-time Avenger. Call him up as a reserve member, and there’ll be no problem.
But you black people already got war machine and falcon on film all suited up
Waiting for ka-zar to be the guy representing africa.
@RockBogart faith in humanity, slowly restored?
doubtful.
Yeah if Boseman is playing it off, he had a meeting with Marvel but can’t say anything. I reckon we’re gonna get a cameo from BP. I’m hearing BP may be Phase Four.
Sony pictures will NEVER, EVER let Spider-man be in the Avengers unless Disney can negotation a deal like Universal did with Hulk(Universal studios is based btw). Sony needs Pete, Sony raking money with Pete too much for Sony to let him go.
Umm dude, Sony will play ball with Disney/Marvel cause they would LOVE to get in on that billion dollar train. If I remember correctly, Sony was gonna let Marvel use the Oscorp building in Avengers but the negotiations were too late. Now Fox? They will NEVER negotiate with Marvel/Disney.
Sony won’t give up the rights but they are willing to work with Marvel. Sony has nothing to lose by doing so.
Spidey has to be in.
It’s a instant ticket seller.
I saw the movie around Friday last week with my dad and it was fucking awesome! I might watch it again later on. 
BTW, I really love Black Widow in this movie. Scarlett Johansson did an awesome job as her once again!
Hey Hawkingbird…there’s an episode 2…
Yeah, you know what else is? The Avengers period.
Speaks for itself.
So does this…
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Spiderman maybe a ‘recent’ addition, but when it comes to the ‘lore’ of Avengers, he just isn’t a member. Avengers are what 50 years old and he’s been involved for maybe 10…
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Ahem! staying on topic…
Inb4 someone makes a Cap 2 Video with Let It Go in the background.
(America! Fuck yeah! Hydra is the only way, yeah! …Wait.
Also, you’re acting like someone hasn’t made it such thing yet, Saitsu. They almost certainly have. It’s just that they’ve either yet to post it or it’s yet to go “viral”.)
So, I’d say that I’m disappointed, having (punished myself by) read(ing) through this entire thread, thinking surely the majority of half of the pages were talking about things that actually related to the movie…only to find that literally half of it is people being trolled by one idiot. Being disappointed would require having (positive) expectations, however, and I can’t have that when it comes to humanity. So I’ll just say I’m slightly surprised at the amount of people getting baited by said person, repeatedly, especially I literally need like a day to detox from his level of idiocy.
WARNING! WARNING! INCOMING POST THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT!
Anyway, this movie was also a surprise, one of a far more pleasant variety given that I was reluctantly “dragged” to go see it in the first place last weekend. I say reluctantly given I still haven’t seen most of the movies in the modern “Marvel Cinematic Universe”; I’ve only seen the first Iron Man in its entirety besides this movie at present. I eventually “gave in” to the other person who wanted to go see this since I figured that the time gap between this and the first Captain America would mean that I wouldn’t need to see the first movie to get anything in this, even as long as I’ve been out of comics. The same goes for this movie and The Avengers since, at most, only a third of The Avengers are even in this movie since apparently Hawkeye was in Afghanistan or something.
(Having seen neither The Avengers–unless we’re counting the one with Ralph Fiennes and Uma Thurman–nor Iron Man 2, it took some getting used to Scarlett Johannson as the Black Widow between how softly she tends to talk and how I can’t remember ever seeing her in anything “serious”; I’m also not sure I could ever take her speaking Russian seriously. Still, she worked well enough I guess even if Mackie, Evans, Stan, Jackson and a few others outshone her IMO.)
I think being relatively “self-contained” is part of why this movie works so well, because while it does occasionally name drop either other Avengers or other people within the universe–I’m still surprised they name dropped Doctor Strange–at points, it doesn’t snarl itself with its own continuity doing so.* It helps, perhaps, that they neither tried to really hide The Winter Soldier’s “real” identity from the audience after a while in promotions nor that they chose to really focus on The Winter Soldier or anyone from Cap’s past all that much that would involve needing to see the first movie. I mean, besides a certain character showing up half way through the movie to deliver the huge twist, it seemed pretty obvious from the get-go that The Winter Soldier plotline was getting left for a later movie. It makes sense given that no one really believed the Winter Soldier was real before this save for Natasha and maybe–probably–Fury and how thoroughly the poor, awesome bastard was brainwashed. I’d rather wait for another movie where saving Bucky is the actual main focus rather than it be some incidental “power of heart” bullshit that happens at the end of movie just because it would be easier that way, even if I’m sure some people might see that as a cash-grab.
Regardless, given how little he was actually in the movie, it helped makes his fights all the more entertaining. The fight choreography was done extremely well in this movie, especially since a lot–maybe the majority–of the guns didn’t have bottomless magazines like way too many movie guns do. Even just the beginning sequence with Batroc and his pirate crew would have perhaps worked well for the climax to another movie if Captain America and S.H.I.E.L.D. hadn’t taken everyone but Batroc out with kinda terrifying efficiency. Both vehicle combat scenes were also done quite well, especially since it seems like it would quite easy to have the camera devolve into shakiness with all the angle changes and everything.
Similarly, The Falcon’s flight scenes, especially towards the end, were also surprisingly well done given how cautious I am about CGI anything–thanks, horrible Matrix movies–and how lazy movies often are about making new characters likable. Thankfully, this movie made Sam Wilson really likable without him coming off as sycophantic or the token (alive) black guy or anything and I’ve never really liked the Falcon (or anything related to Captain America) before this. I’ll admit that it’s a bit of a shame his bird communicating powers are probably not going to ever come up since that’s easily one of the more interesting things about the comicbook version of him though.
I think it goes without saying that outside of the Winter Soldier scenes, though, that the elevator fight scene was the best fight scene of the movie, even if Cap didn’t get to use his broken-ass shield. Of course, feel free to debate that. Debating that or anything else really would be better than this current silly indulgence of trolling.
I’ll try to start to end this here by saying that I also really enjoyed that the movie didn’t pull punches about the cynicism that’s still necessary even when you legitimately want to help people, about the politics of privacy versus security or about having huge ramifications for the rest of the world its set in despite being relatively self-contained. I also liked that they are arguably left it rather ambiguous as to whether the actual bad guy(s) legitimately wanted world peace and would do anything to get it even though some of his followers, like Crossbones, were obvious sadists or if he was/they were just another egomaniac(ial group).
Finally, the movie was helped by there being pretty much next to no “Idiot Ball” moments even as much as I’ve seen some people complain that he should have called the other Avengers. The only thing that bothered me was…:
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Fury letting Pierce get a hold of his phone again, which then allowed Pierce to kill the three WSC guys and threaten Natasha. Being the cynic I am, I’m not sure whether that was an actual oversight by Fury and Natasha or a cold gamble on Fury’s plan to get rid of the WSC while at the same figuring Pierce still needed a hostage that Fury cared about, thus meaning he wouldn’t kill Natasha too. It might just because I figured as soon as Jenny Agutter and the other guys playing the WSC put on those things that they were trapped and it seems like that would occur to at least Natasha, but shrug.
The first stinger actually me made say “oh shit” while the second stinger just served show why the Winter Soldier is going to have to be focused on in another movie given how fucked in the head he is"
[details=Spoiler]Even if von Stucker is made to be Pietro/Quicksilver and Wanda/Scarlet Witch’s parent or their father at least is never explicitly mentioned to Magneto since apparently the word “mutant” is verboten due to licensing brought up earlier in the thread, I think that’s personally fine for reasons already said. Ironically, even as much of a damn racist as von Stucker is, if they were his children instead of racist assholes twins he has in the main continuity, they still probably had a better childhood than they did with Magneto given how abusive he got at times, Loki’s scepter experiment aside.
Besides, even if there was some type of crossover with this and the X-Men continuity being…developed by Fox, I still wouldn’t be surprised if they weren’t Magneto’s kids in that combined continuity given he and Professor X are even gayer for each other than usual. [/not that there’s anything wrong with that][/details]
TD;LR: Go see The Winter Soldier if you already haven’t, you treasonous cockbag.
*Having read only like…a half a dozen Captain America comics ever, the only comicbook reference I didn’t get was Rumlow and part of that was me being bothered for most of the movie that Frank Grillo looked so damn familiar. Weirdly, I’ve apparently never seen him in anything else; even weirder is that guy is apparently 50 despite looking so damn young. Hunh.
Then again, I only got who Batroc was because of the opening dialogue between Captain America and Strider Hiryu in UMvC3, so shrug.